Excess Protien Intake Does not build more muscle ??

[DreDay187]

I cant think of the word, but I think this plays more of a role. The amount of protein absorbed or something along those lines? For instance Eggs and Whey was the highest on the list of how much protein you truely intake from this. Compared to per say Beans which was in the 55-65% total consumed protein. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I guess you can say if you intook 300 grams of protein from beans, and only 150 grams of protein from Eggs it'd be the same even though its lower amount of protein. This might be all bullshit, like I said someone correct me. I remember reading this months ago.

I believe you're referring to biological value, the amount of protein retained in the body after entering the bloodstream to be used for protein synthesis. In an extreme example like you used it may be relevant bc beans are an incomplete protein source while eggs are complete. If you're getting well rounded sources of protein though it shouldn't be any concern.

 

[DreDay187]

I'm actually glad that this topic was brought up. I just spoke with a gentleman in the nutrition store I work at and he is a very well built individual and he informed me he only consumed roughly 200-250g of protein per day and my guess is he is roughly 180lbs. Where I consume 300g per day usually and I'm just 190ish. He could be using a completely different supplement agenda than I but it doesn't change the fact that individuals are different.

Dre, great comments even though I thought "dang this dude is ripping the op a new one." haha but at the end you reassured me you're a gentlemen.

As far as my thought towards kidney failure, you have two of them and the average person probably only uses a small percent of the capacity an individual kidney could support. I'm no doctor and I'm educated in engineering so I'm not a reputable source of information but I have found through experience that typically what is preached (low fat diets, artificial sweeteners cause cancer, gear kills, etc.) is not the most accurate teachings.

The reason for my reply is to simply give a little opinion and what has worked for me.

Moderately low carb, high protein and what I think is moderate fats (100g a day or so). I like it and until I find something better that's what I will stick with! Everyone who is new to training should learn a few things early on:

1) The number on that scale is simply a number. If it is used, it should be used along with visuals to determine what you're losing or gaining. No sense of gaining a bunch of fat and no muscle.
2) Just because Ronnie Coleman supposedly ate 500g of protein a day, 1900 carbs and 70g of fat (something I read at some point), doesn't mean that will work for you. Experiment with a beginners guide and go from there.
3) Like 2), training should be experimented. Some people like one body part a day, some people like complete body workouts(which I think is silly). In my opinion, someone may need to work their arms 5 days a week to make them grow and others may only need once a week (example) but that depends on you.

Like everyone, I'm still learning and I appreciate all of the input of everyone whether I utilize it or not!

Thank you DrHouse, I realized after I wrote it I came across as a douchebag somewhat and that was not my intent. I was just frustrated bc myths like these continue to pop up and not die out. I would agree with most of your points and we are all students in the world of nutrition, not one person has an answer for everything.

 

[DreDay187]

Thanks guys for passing by i really appreciate it and i like how 3J placed his comment and how he open minded

I really enjoy reading what you all wrote
Will we are learning guys i am currently studying to be a doctor and this year will be my last year
But being a doctor doesn't mean i have that experience in nutrition , but i read too much
Also as am a medical student i am pretty used to read many researches and do a lot of search in google and research engines
I don't care who is giving the words if he was engineer or teacher or even uneducated
But what i care the most is the knowledge and the experience he gives and that's what makes me happy when i see you all reply's
Well what i found is that surely if you eat too much protien you will be no ronnie for sure
and 0.87g/LB of protein is very safe amount and a lot of protein already
But in the same hand I figured that what 3J said about transformation about protein to fat is true , but i will do more research about it just for the sake of confirming that thing in my mind

i found that when protein is excess its either go into urine , and if it turns into fat it turns with caloric surplus usually

I would prefer increase in protein as what kind of fuel it is not for gaining more muscle
If you talk about protein , carbs , fat
you will see that the easiest things which turn into fats are fats itself and carbs
and the body is sensitive to there excess more than protein
For me the best reason that i take more than 0.87g/LB now is that the protein is the hardest component to turn into fat , and its the highest quality component regarding muscle growth.

If you aim specially for ripping you need sometimes low carbs + low fat and high protein diet.
Because you are hitting two birds with one stone , you are cutting fat and carbs , and the to reach a good caloric intake you add the rest as protein

I tried this diet for 3 weeks now , and i've been very strict about it , and guess what until now i lost 5 kilos without the use of any supplements except iso-100

My diet is like 43g Fat , 127 Carbs , 229g Protein

and what i added more protein for is not for gaining more muscle , its just to get to the healthy amount of calories for me .

Thanks to you all you have my respect 'till the end

Protein does not convert to fat DIRECTLY. It converts to glucose through gluconeogenesis but again specific situations must exist for this pathway to be utilized. So protein does not lead to fat gain directly that is that protein itself or when it's converted to glucose through gluconeogenesis will NOT be stored as fat. It can be converted to glucose which changes your fat oxidation and storage requirements which then will possibly lead to excess fat gain but that is far from a direct mechanism.

 

[DreDay187]

DreDay187

Thanks for your comment , for sure using examples like these are not of scientific base but for the first example you can't say that they need less calories for muscle growth , because a surplus for muscle growth is a surplus in your recommended intake no doubt about it even if you are sitting around doing nothing you should eat a surplus to grow , and days activities doesn't burn as much calories as you think running for 6 miles speed for 30 minutes can only make you burn from 250 to 300 calories
walking for an hour can make you lose 200 to 300 calories

so don't tell me if you are active that means you burn your muscle tissue.

what i meant by that example was not less caloric intake will make you gain muscle , what i meant is that less protein intake can make a difference , that was only for clarification purposes , not as evidence.

Yes to gain muscle a surplus is still needed in your prison example BUT a surplus is much easier to accomplish when someone is locked in a cell 18+hours a day. Are you guessing inmates domt get a lot of protein and carbs? or are you guessing? i think youre guessing bc ive known inmates personally and they get enough prtoein with the foods given to them. If you think a day's worth of activities doesn't matter much you are mistaken. According to calculators my BMR is ~1900calories. So my body requires 1900calories just to maintain itself in an inactive state. Now add in my day's activities and I do NOT gain weight unless I eat 4300+ calories....that's a 2400calorie difference just from "activity". Would you still say a day's worth of activities does not make a great difference? Please point me out to where I said if you're active you burn muscle tissue??? I never said that.

You can read the article that i put about the minimum protein intake for muscle growth and maintenance , unless if you don't believe in researches and science do not bother yourself doing it and keep your ideas as it is.

what i really expected from you is when you say i eat 1g/lb per day or 1.4g/lb is that you say why you do that ? because you think its the minimum and safe amount ? researches proves otherwise which is 0.87g/lb or 0.83 i don't remember really but you can look into the article

I have read research and like I said, the research has shown positive net protein synthesis at the rates of protein you suggest in some studies. Does this mean more isn't beneficial? Does it mean protein synthesis can't be driven up even more? Does this mean any more protein over that amount is bad for kidneys or anything else or even a waste? No is the answer. Science has also shown for strength and
Power athletes that they can benefit from even higher protein intakes around 1.5g/lb BW can be beneficial. Does one have to hit this number, no, it won't mean the end of the world if you're somewhat short but likewise it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it either which is what I got from your OP.

Again my dear friend , my second example is to elaborate that many factors involve in muscle growth which is genes and lifestyle -_- not only diet , but you didn't get to my point again.


And thank you for passing by i learned a lot from you

I didn't miss your point, but you have failed to show how "lifestyle" affects muscle growth in your example. You merely stated an example of two of your friends doing the same things and getting different results. That's not bc of lifestyle buddy, that's diet not matching goals. You can have a lazy as hell lifestyle and if you lift and eat correctly get amazing results. Conversely, you can have an extremely active lifestyle and if your training and diet aren't matched correctly to your goals you'll never accomplish anything.

Thank you for clarifying some of your posts but I still see it as a protein mongering piece. It should be enough to say calculate caloric needs, meet minimum essential macronutrient needs, meet micronutrient needs, and any remaining calories can be filled with any macros of your choice (once needs are met). This way no one gets the idea protein is bad for you, high fat diets are bad, carbs make you fat, etc.