feedback on my first cycle

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Hey everyone,

I've been a long term lurke. After much debate, I have decided to run my first cycle. I am aware of the risk involved, as well as its rewards (especially being 21 years of age). I want to do a test e + dbol cycle. here is below my program. Any feedback would be appreciated!

my cycle:

Weeks 1-6
-Test E 500 mg/ml (twice a week 250 each, tuesday and friday)
-Dbol 30 mg (everyday)
-Aromasin 12.5mg (everyday)
-Cycle Assist (4 tabs am,4 tabs pm everyday)
-Tudca 250mg (everyday)
-HCG 250iu (starting weeks 3, pin every 4 days)
-Extras: omega 3, multis, etc the stuff that is normally used
-(will have Novaldex on hand in case Gyno kicks in)

Weeks 7-12
-Test E 500mg/ml (twice a week 250 each, tuesday and friday)
-Aromasin 12.5 mg (everyday)
-Cycle Assist (4 tabs am, 4 tabs pm everyday)
-Tudca 250mg (everyday)
-HCG 250iu (pin every 4 days)
-Extras: omega 3, multis, etc the stuff that is normally used
-(will have Novaldex on hand in case Gyno kicks in)

post cycle therapy (pct): Weeks 15-16 (2 week delay from last pin)
-Aromasin 25 mg (everyday)
-Nolvadex 40 mg (everyday)
-Tudca 250 mg (everyday)
-Tribulus
-Extras: omega 3, multis, etc the stuff that is normally used

Weeks 17-18
-Aromasin 12.5 mg (everyday) I heard that it is a good idea to taper during last 2 weeks for both SERM and Aromatase inhibitor (AI), can anyone shed some light on this?
-Novaldex 20 mg (everyday)
-Tudca 250 mg (everyday)
-Tribulus
-Extras: omega 3, multis, etc the stuff that is normally used

Will be doing pre and post bloodwork thru Private MD labs in the US

Background:
Stats- 21 y/o, 180lb 15% bf, been lifting consistently for 4 years. Healthy diet, eat 4-5 times a day
-HCG for post cycle therapy (pct)? I have read numerous sources that this is not a good idea as it is counter productive (regardless of which SERM was used during the program).
-How is my Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) dosage at 250iu every 4 days?
-Do you suggest I run this much liver support, or is this excessive? Tudca isn't cheap lol.
-Any feedback on those "Testosterone Cycle Stacks"? Many of them advertise that they are better than traditional post cycle therapy (pct) protocols and thus you are able to run less SERM and no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (less sides from SERMS I suppose?)

I'd love to hear what others including the vets on this board have to say
Thanks for your input
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Bro everyone here is going to tell you youre too young to start and theyd be right. I guess if you want to do it youre going to do it... throw some clomid in your post cycle therapy (pct) also i think nolva for 6 weeks is a little long but i dont think it will hurt any... otherwise looks good. But seriously bro think about training natty and eating for another 5-6 years...

Edit: and drop aromisin for post cycle therapy (pct), run it during your cycle.
 
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And no, no Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during PCT, either run it with the cycle as you outlined or blast at the end.
 
buffg said:
Bro everyone here is going to tell you youre too young to start and theyd be right. I guess if you want to do it youre going to do it... throw some clomid in your PCT also i think nolva for 6 weeks is a little long but i dont think it will hurt any... otherwise looks good. But seriously bro think about training natty and eating for another 5-6 years...

Edit: and drop aromisin for pct, run it during your cycle.
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Thanks for your quick reply to my question.
Add clomid? Why would 2 SERMS be needed for my post cycle therapy (pct)? To be honest, I've decided to run nolva instead of clomid because of clomids notorious sides--anything that may cause blindness ans a no go for me! :p

I'm only running nolva 4 weeks in my cycle. 40/40/20/20 weeks 15-18 (Typo on my end)

Drop aromasin from post cycle therapy (pct)? Are you sure? I thought it was ideal to run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during post cycle therapy (pct). I think I read it in william L's anabolics encyclopedia pct protocols. And as well as other threads on this forum and other pro hormone forums as well
 
nolva lowers igf levels in pct... its counter productive...

also this is your first cycle correct?? drop the dbol.. if something goes wrong how are you going to know what caused it?? save the dbol for a second cycle
 
and yes, you are too young to run steroids.. i personally would wait another 3 years and do it natural with a kick ass diet
 
I can speak from personal experience here, 3j knows his stuff, carb cycling diet was on the $$!

3J said:
nolva lowers igf levels in pct... its counter productive...
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3J, whats up with this? Are you really suggesting no nolva (as in tamoxifen) in post cycle therapy (pct)? ...that seems to fly in the face of a lot of (what appears to me) common knowledge...
 
thanks for the kind words bro!!!

yea new research has shown that nolva reduces igf levels.. ask all the vets here they will tell u the same thing.. actuallhy stonecold was the one who turned me on to this.. and when the man talks u better listen!! lol
buffg said:
I can speak from personal experience here, 3j knows his stuff, carb cycling diet was on the $$!



3J, whats up with this? Are you really suggesting no nolva (as in tamoxifen) in post cycle therapy (pct)? ...that seems to fly in the face of a lot of (what appears to me) common knowledge...
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You are young, you seem to understand what you are doing and have a very thorough plan. We have to morally tell you not to do it...but other than that looks solid.
 
Interesting, so from the feedback in this thread, I should drop Aromasin and Novaldex from my post cycle therapy (pct) and use Clomid only? Doesn't Aromasin increase IGF1... so wouldn't that counter act Novaldex's IGF 1 declining trait? I just rather avoid clomids sides, but if the effect of novaldex is that strong and cons outweight pros, then I would switch to clomid.

there seems to be mixed opinions from a lot of members-- so should an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) be ran with a SERM be ran during post cycle therapy (pct) or not?

By the way, I appreciate you guys looking out for me with concerns regarding my age.
 
Well id say clomid is a staple of post cycle therapy (pct) and would definitely include it. I also run aromasin personally as stated up to a week past last test shot, not in post cycle therapy (pct). Nolva has been in all my post cycle therapy (pct)s until now (with good results), however if 3j makes a statement like that its worth some research. Im going to read up on it for myself and ill post back if i find anything. That point might be worth its own thread though, if Nolva should not be part of a standard post cycle therapy (pct) thats really big news because as far as im aware, everyones running it...

Problem is ive just done a lot of research but have no real bio / bio-chem background, so i couldnt tell you exactly (i could give you the very layman basics of things but not the in-depth) why or how these things work and work in combo... Im basically just repeating "conventional wisdom", so take what I say with a grain of salt. I can say though that it has been working successfully for me. Would something else work better?? Maybe.
 
Searching up nolvadex trait to decrease igf1 on google does come up with several results , including discussions on other message boards, but is there anything conclusiv e or scholarly? I couldn't find anything that wasn't "broscicence".

But based on this feedback, I'm going to add 50/50/50/50 clomid to my pct, included with my nolva
 
But based on this feedback, I'm going to add 50/50/50/50 clomid to my pct, included with my nolva[/QUOTE]

you are going to want to do 100/100/50/50
 
If this is your first cycle, I would drop the dbol like 3J said. I wouldn't worry about any sides from Clomid, I never had any. I would run it 50/50/50/50
 
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