Finalizing Home-Brew Strategy!

[SprtNVolcoM]

Note: Please read thoroughly ... Aside from the title, this is a serious topic encouraging serious advice only.

With all the different recipes out there and my urgent need to start homebrewing as soon as possible (Supplies arrived! My Home-Brew venture kicks off Monday 18th @ 6:00am), I'm writing in & asking that the fellow members of Steroidology help me finalize my strategy. Below will be a list of recipes, compounds used in each recipes, concentration used, volume of each batch, and any last minute questions I may have regarding the brewing process/steps ect. I hope everyone will join in. Your advice is needed and appreciated. So here we go ...

Test Enan @ 250mg/ml:
Brewing 100g all in one batch.

Calculations:
400ml @ 250mg/ml = 100,000mg = 100g
Displacement = P x Df(.85) 100 x .85 = 85
BA = .02 x 400 = 8
BB = .20 x 400 = 80
Oil = ( V - D - BA - B ) 400 - 85 - 8 - 80 = 227ml

Ingredients:
- Test E. Powder = 100g
- Benzyl Alcohol ( 2% BA ) = 8ml
- Benzyl Benzoate ( 20% BB )= 80ml
- Grapeseed Oil = 227ml

Procedure:
- Weigh out 100g of powder into beaker.
- Add BA, BB, and Oil.
- Place on stovetop in frying pan on medium/high heat.
- Swirl and heat until solution is completely clear.
- When NO powder swirls are visible its ready to filter.
- Let solution cool, but keep warm while filtering.
- Pour into SteriTop Filtration Unit (attached to Glass Receiver and Brake Bleeder).
- Using 10Hg-15Hg, vacuum pump solution into receiver.
- Using a funnel, fill steril vials, stop, crimp, & Label.
- DONE!!
- Conversion yields = 400ml @ 250mg/ml sterile solution.

QUESTIONS:
1: Some recipes don't call for BB. Is BB necessary?
2: Should I purge SteriTop Filtration Unit before/after its use?

RLS: http://researchlabsupply.com/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=132
(Click the link to view SteriTop Filter Units)

3: Although the website instructs single use only, can the SteriTop Filtration Units be used more than once if extra glass pre-filters were purchased? -or- Should I use the pre-filters along (in conjunction) with the SteriTop .22 µm PVDF filter that comes with the SteriTop Units?
4: If SteriTop Units can be used more than once (& I have heard people doing this) would it be wise to sterilize the entire unit (by way of 30min dip in boiling distilled water and everclear) again before next use? & would the 1.0 µm PVDF pre-filter be a sufficient? I'm thinking these 1.0µm PVDF pre-filter are only to be used with the SteriTop .22µm PVDF filter as double insurance, so to speak.
5: Every single Test enan, Deca, abd EQ recipe I've come a crossed to date doesn't use BB. Is the BB necessary? I was under the impression that 2%/20% BA/BB was a general rule of thumb for just about every conversion there is. Is this not so?

This same recipe/procedure can be used to brew Deca & EQ, correct? I dont see the point in reposting the same procedure for different compounds. Of course, I will have to adjust my numbers accordingly and recalculate to get the desired concentration. If anyone knows a different way to go about brewing, please share!
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Nandro Deca @ 200mg/ml:
Brewing 100g all in one batch -- using same steps as I noted I previously noted in the Test E example.

Calculations:
500ml @ 200mg/ml = 100,000mg = 100g
Displacement = P x Df(.75) 100 x .85 = 85
BA ml = .02 x 500 = 10ml
BB ml = .20 x 500 = 100 ml
Oil ml = ( V - D - BA - B ) 500 - 85 - 10 - 100 = 305ml

Ingredients:
- Nandro D. Powder = 100g
- Benzyl Alcohol ( 2% BA ) = 10ml
- Benzyl Benzoate ( 20% BB )= 100ml
- Grapeseed Oil = 305ml
- Conversion yields = 500ml @ 200mg/ml sterile solution.
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Bold (EQ) @ 200mg/ml:
Brewing 50g all in one batch -- using same steps as I noted I previously noted in the Test E example.

Calculations:
250ml @ 200mg/ml = 50,000mg = 50g
Displacement = P x Df(.75) 50 x .85 = 42.5
BA ml = .02 x 250 = 5ml
BB ml = .20 x 250 = 50 ml
Oil ml = ( V - D - BA - B ) 250 - 42.5 - 5 - 50 = 152.5ml

Ingredients:
- Bold Powder = 50g
- Benzyl Alcohol ( 2% BA ) = 5ml
- Benzyl Benzoate ( 20% BB )= 50ml
- Grapeseed Oil = 152.5ml

- Conversion yields = 250ml @ 200mg/ml sterile solution.
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Test Prop @ 100mg/ml:
Brewing 100g all in one batch.

Calculations:
1000ml @ 100mg/ml = 100,000mg = 100g
Displacement = P x Df(.75) 100 x .75 = 75
BA ml = .02 x 1000 = 20ml
BB ml = .20 x 1000 = 200ml
Oil ml = ( V - D - BA - B ) 1000 - 75 - 20 - 200 = 705ml

Ingredients:
- Test P. Powder = 100g
- Benzyl Alcohol ( 2% BA ) = 20ml
- Benzyl Benzoate ( 20% BB ) = 200ml
- Grapeseed Oil = 352.5ml
- EO = 352.5ml

Procedure:
- Weigh out 100g of powder into beaker.
- Add BA, BB, Oil, & EO.
- Place on stovetop in frying pan medium/high heat.
- Swirl and heat until solution is completely clear.
- When NO swirls (crystals) are visible its ready to filter.
- Let solution cool, but keep warm while filtering.
- Pour into SteriTop Filtration Unit (attached to Glass Receiver and Brake Bleeder).
- Using 10Hg-15Hg, vacuum pump solution into receiver.
- Using a funnel, fill steril vials, stop, crimp, & Label.
- DONE!!
- Conversion yields = 1000ml @ 100mg/ml sterile solution.

QUESTION:
1: This Prop recipe is similar to the Enan recipe above. Is there anything I should know about Prop conversions before I get started (is prop a tricky compound, does it go into solution easily, ect)? It just seems to easy. I feel like I'm missing something.
2: I'm also reading that the Prop recipe can be used for Tren Ace. & Bold Prop., True or False?
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Tren Ace @ 75mg/ml:
Brewing 20g all in one batch.

Calculations:
266ml @ 75mg/ml = 20,000mg = 20g
Displacement = P x Df(.75) 20 x .75 = 15
BA ml = .02 x 266 = 5.32ml
BB ml = .20 x 266 = 53.2ml
Oil ml = ( V - D - BA - B ) 266 - 15 - 5.32 - 53.2 = 192.48ml

Ingredients:
- Tren Ace. Powder = 20g
- Benzyl Alcohol ( 2% BA ) = 5.32ml
- Benzyl Benzoate ( 20% BB )= 53.2ml
- Grapeseed Oil = 192.48ml

- Conversion yields = 266ml @ 75mg/ml sterile solution.

QUESTION:
1: I've brewed Tren Ace. before (pellet form). I used a kit from Mr.T, but I don't remember using any BB; only BA & oil. Now the Tren recipe I found is the exact same one I use for Prop. What gives? To BB, or not to BB?
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These are all the questions I have for now. If no replys, I'll assume I'm ready to go. I still wouldn't mind having the few questions I posted answered. I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you,
Sprt

 

[SprtNVolcoM]

Winstrol

Note: Winstrol is tricky, we know this. Help me make the smarter decisions when brewing this one. I'm lost when it comes to winny.

Winny Suspension @ 50mg/ml (water based):
Brewing 100g in 5g-10g increments.

Calculations (these #'s will change):
2000ml @ 5mg/ml = 100,000mg = 100g
Displacement = P x Df(.75) 100 x .75 = 75
BA ml = .02 x 2000 = 40ml
BB ml = .20 x 2000 = 400 ml
Water & PS80 ml = ( V-D-BA-BB ) 2000 - 75 - 40 - 400 = 1485ml

Ingredients:
- Stanozolol Powder = 100g
- Benzyl Alcohol ( 2 % BA ) = 40ml
- Benzyl Benzoate ( 20% BB ) = 400ml ???
- PS80 (?%) = ???
- Distilled Water = 1485ml

Procedure:
- ??? I have several recipes ???
- Conversion yields = 400ml @ 250mg/ml sterile solution.

Questions:
1: At what percent is PS80 normally used (I've read 3%)?
2: Is BB used at all in water based suspention?
3: Can I make any concentration I desire in a suspension?
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Winny Solution @ 50mg/ml (oil based):
Brewing 100g in 5g-10g increments.

Calculations (these #'s will change):
2000ml @ 5mg/ml = 100,000mg = 100g
Displacement = P x Df(.75) 100 x .75 = 75
BA ml = .02 x 2000 = 40ml
BB ml = .20 x 2000 = 400 ml
Oil ml = ( V-D-BA-BB ) 2000 - 75 - 40 - 400 = 1485ml

Ingredients:
- Stanozolol Powder = 100g
- Benzyl Alcohol ( 2 % BA ) = 40ml
- Benzyl Benzoate ( 20% BB ) = 400ml ???
- Guaiacol (Super Solvent) ml = ???
- Grapeseed Oil = 1485ml

Procedure:
- ??? I have several recipes ???
- Conversion yields = 400ml @ 250mg/ml sterile solution.

Questions:
1: Guaiacol (also known as Super Solvent) should replace the BA the BB or both the BA and BB? Also, at what percent is it normally used?
2: Is BB used at all in a oilbased solution when Guaiacol is present? Basskiller has a recipe that doesnt use either solvents (Guaiacol or BB), just BA. I'm skeptical, but going to try it.



Help me out guys. Thank you in advance,
Sprt

 

[A-10]

Since you're using EO with the prop I'd jump it up to 200mg/ml, cut down on the volume of the shot when you use it. I did it this go around and wish I'd did it in brews past.

Any reason for brewing everything up all at once? Why not brew 100ml of some of the stuff for your first home brew go?

 

[GymLift]

Don't plan on having a huge orgy when its your first time, you know what I mean?

Start with something simple. Like the test enan. And forget that displacement stuff. Just add the hormone to the beaker, add the BA, don't add BB since you don't need BB for test enan, and add oil until the volume is right. Maybe don't add quite all the oil. Add most of it, heat/swirl, and then add oil to the final volume.

Don't use med/high heat unless you want a whole batch down the drain. Do med/low and increase or decrease as necessary. Shit, I'm likely having you an entire ruined batch by mentioning this.

 

[AP2]

Do you have one for Sust?

 

[SprtNVolcoM]

Since you're using EO with the prop I'd jump it up to 200mg/ml, cut down on the volume of the shot when you use it. I did it this go around and wish I'd did it in brews past.

Any reason for brewing everything up all at once? Why not brew 100ml of some of the stuff for your first home brew go?

I've heard a couple people say this, but I sounds like the general consensus is that pain is independent of EO and more dependent upon the individual who uses. Just because 100% EO was painless for you, doesn't mean it will be for others. You know? & I agree to with this to an extent. Having never used EO, however, its hard for me to say what's what. I remain on the fence.

Thanks for the reply ... much appreciated.

Don't plan on having a huge orgy when its your first time, you know what I mean?

Start with something simple. Like the test enan. And forget that displacement stuff. Just add the hormone to the beaker, add the BA, don't add BB since you don't need BB for test enan, and add oil until the volume is right. Maybe don't add quite all the oil. Add most of it, heat/swirl, and then add oil to the final volume.

Don't use med/high heat unless you want a whole batch down the drain. Do med/low and increase or decrease as necessary. Shit, I'm likely having you an entire ruined batch by mentioning this.

I feel ya. I have a lot going through my head right now about how things are going to go. Thinking it through is always the easy part. Its actually performing the task at hand that is difficult. Only then will all the things you dint think about come to haunt you.

I plan on taking it slow. Originally, I only purchased enough supplies to get the job done. After running it through my head a few times, I decided to grab some extra supplies and prepare for mishaps that will occur. As noted, this is my first brew ... plenty will go wrong.

As always Mranak, thank you for your reply. You've always been one to give me solid advice.

Sprt

 

[GymLift]

It really isn't that difficult, especially things like test enan. In my opinion, the biggest bitch is using those damn syringe filters....bottle top filters are the way to go for sure.

Just don't do anything stupid and you should be fine. Don't make something that is simple more complicated than it is, which is why I mentioned the bit on the displacement and not using that method. Seems like guys that try and calculate the amount of oil they need to add often end up farther off in the end than just adding oil until you hit the right line on the beaker.

Of course, beakers are often inaccurately labeled. I don't know why.

 

[A-10]

I've heard a couple people say this, but I sounds like the general consensus is that pain is independent of EO and more dependent upon the individual who uses. Just because 100% EO was painless for you, doesn't mean it will be for others. You know? & I agree to with this to an extent. Having never used EO, however, its hard for me to say what's what. I remain on the fence.

Thanks for the reply ... much appreciated.

I wasn't saying to brew it with EO so much for pain reasons, more so because down the road working with 100mg/ml shots can be a bitch when you start using a higher mg/week or AAS. But either way keep us posted, hope all brews up ok.

 

[insaned]

Try first with TE and Bold Un, a go from there.

Just don't make everything at once!

 

[SprtNVolcoM]

Try first with TE and Bold Un, a go from there.

Just don't make everything at once!

That was my initial plan. All the supplies came in this morning. So I'll be keeping everyone posted with LOTS of quetions. I've been studing the stickies, but I'm positive I'll still have some concerns.

Mind if I PM you from time to time?

Thanks
Sprt

 

[GymLift]

Hope you have a crimper. I made up 500g of test enan and all of it had to be injected into vials. That sucked. And so did the MTV that I was watching until about 4am that night.

 

[SprtNVolcoM]

Hope you have a crimper. I made up 500g of test enan and all of it had to be injected into vials. That sucked. And so did the MTV that I was watching until about 4am that night.

lol, crimper just came in today. Since I didnt have it ... I'll be up at 6am tomorrow morning to start brewing. You can use a spoon if you dont hav a crimper; it works just fine and looks professionally done, but it kills your hands.

 

[nola504]

anyone know legit sources for the test powder??

 

[Major Cake]

There is a link for a powder calculator on this forum that I used for calculations for my brew. Just use the search engine for "powder calculator". Makes it all much easier. Just enter your ML/MG you want and % BA and it does the rest.

 

[SleepingAssPirate]

bump for being one of the most useful posts I have found regarding homebrewing.

sorry if this isn't allowed