Ive been lurking on here for around 9 months. Finally took the step and found a local DR who is well versed in Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT). I'm 27 and my last labs showed total test of 195. Never did a cycle its just genetic. My dad is low too. Dr prescribed 200mg test cyp every 7 days and gave me the option of injections twice a week (of 100mg every 4 days) if I want to try to keep estrogen in check. Wondering what your guys thoughts are on a plan to keep my levels in check. I was prescribed anastrozol as well. Haven't done my first pin yet (gonna go pick up prescription tomorrow) but right now I am in a rigorous training program. On any given day we run 2-6 miles, do over 300 push ups/burpees/sit ups and other physical activity. I'm concerned of elevating my estrogen and making the program harder (hearing how people get achy joints etc with low estrogen). I am 225lbs around 21% BF 6'1. Right now my performance is ok but my recovery is awful and I cant shed body fat. Ive never been lower than 18 percent no matter how clean I eat(paleo/zone) Dr did not prescribe Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) but was more than willing to if I wanted. Do you guys have any suggestions? I wanted to PM Cashout but I guess I don't qualify to send PMs. Not trying to stray from the Dr but he did say I could play around with injections its just most people prefer not sticking themselves so often.
Finally found a good Dr now I need some help.
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Dreaded Pirate Roberts
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Get the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) or you won't bust loads. After a few months You will come dust and a tumble weed with roll threw your bedroom when your having sex.
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Not true for everyone.. I don't use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) cause Gump for me.. And I can still shoot a good load... And yes I'm on hrt
dfeaton
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Sounds like you found a decent doc. 200mg/week is not bad. Could be better to break it up a bit more to avoid spikes & hopefully the need for an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). If you've been lurking for a bit I'm sure you have seen the other threads about Aromatase inhibitor (AI) Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) ect..... Btw Cashout is not taking PMs anymore.
One shot a week of 200 mgs is too much Test in a single shot for 99.9% of Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) guys.
It will cause a spike in blood levels of active hormone at or around 40 mgs on the day of the shot, 34 mgs the day after, 31 mgs 2 days after. For most guys, when their blood levels are above 30 mgs of active drug in the blood that is when estrogen related side effects seem to occur.
Start with 150 mgs a week or less broken up into two shots (75 mgs per shot) spaced out on Mon AM and Thurday PM.
This will create 2 peeks in the week around 30 mgs of active drug in the blood and no higher - this keeps most guys out of the area of aromatization.
You could go to three days a week and even small injections if need but start with two to see how you respond.
Hold off on the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) until it is necessary.
Contray to what DPR wrote and for what it is worth, I did my Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) WITHOUT Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for over 15 months and had no noticeable reduction in ejaculate. My sperm count was significantly reduced but I sure as heck was not producing "dust."
It will cause a spike in blood levels of active hormone at or around 40 mgs on the day of the shot, 34 mgs the day after, 31 mgs 2 days after. For most guys, when their blood levels are above 30 mgs of active drug in the blood that is when estrogen related side effects seem to occur.
Start with 150 mgs a week or less broken up into two shots (75 mgs per shot) spaced out on Mon AM and Thurday PM.
This will create 2 peeks in the week around 30 mgs of active drug in the blood and no higher - this keeps most guys out of the area of aromatization.
You could go to three days a week and even small injections if need but start with two to see how you respond.
Hold off on the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) until it is necessary.
Contray to what DPR wrote and for what it is worth, I did my Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) WITHOUT Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for over 15 months and had no noticeable reduction in ejaculate. My sperm count was significantly reduced but I sure as heck was not producing "dust."
Hi Nomoobs
I'm a total rookie too, but I also have been researching for months.
For me the evidence indicates that if your T levels don't fluctuate much then your nuts don't shut down as much and you don't aromatise as much. I'm not planning Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) even though I have nut shrinkage on the transdermal I'm using - because when I get on Cyp (if that is what happens) I'll be injecting at least twice weekly to keep those levels stable, and stable levels also appear to keep Estrogen in check. And I'm planning 2x75mg as Cashout suggests for you.
Will I find twice weekly injections a PITA? I don't know, but it will sure as hell be better than life as I know it right now! And twice the number of injections = half the volume per shot = less discomfort. So I figure anyway.
Does this make sense to you far more knowledgeable guys?
I'm a total rookie too, but I also have been researching for months.
For me the evidence indicates that if your T levels don't fluctuate much then your nuts don't shut down as much and you don't aromatise as much. I'm not planning Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) even though I have nut shrinkage on the transdermal I'm using - because when I get on Cyp (if that is what happens) I'll be injecting at least twice weekly to keep those levels stable, and stable levels also appear to keep Estrogen in check. And I'm planning 2x75mg as Cashout suggests for you.
Will I find twice weekly injections a PITA? I don't know, but it will sure as hell be better than life as I know it right now! And twice the number of injections = half the volume per shot = less discomfort. So I figure anyway.
Does this make sense to you far more knowledgeable guys?
GoinPlatinum
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DPR may be on to something..... I hardly ejalculate at all... I dont' even feel anything down there anymore... It's frustrating...
Frustrated1
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Damn BigFla your a fast learner. You are exactly right.
And anybody doing 200+ mg per shot without Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will have I teeny load. Pees can't retain
Much juice.
And anybody doing 200+ mg per shot without Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will have I teeny load. Pees can't retain
Much juice.
GoinPlatinum
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Frustrated:
Does that have any factor over your sex drive overall?
I literally don't feel anything now when I climax.
I may just stick with 200MG weekly, w/ 500 Units of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 2x weekly and see what happens in 30 days...
i'm with you GP. I am going to switch to 3 inj per week to see if it helps, as I still notice that I feel good on Tuesday (I currently inject 140 mg on Sunday) and start to decline by the following weekend, as well as having dull/no sensation during climax.
Doc has me on no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and no Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) so far. Not sure if he will be receptive to HCG, but certainly won't be to Aromatase inhibitor (AI) as his lab's ref range for E2 is like 40-57 (weird?) and I was at 40 last time a couple days before my injection was due.
I have been taking PES erase for the last 3 weeks, and I notice my joints normal cracking is louder, but that's it. No pain, and very little difference in E2 related issues, so I'm not convinced it does much for a fairly fat guy like me.
Doc has me on no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and no Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) so far. Not sure if he will be receptive to HCG, but certainly won't be to Aromatase inhibitor (AI) as his lab's ref range for E2 is like 40-57 (weird?) and I was at 40 last time a couple days before my injection was due.
I have been taking PES erase for the last 3 weeks, and I notice my joints normal cracking is louder, but that's it. No pain, and very little difference in E2 related issues, so I'm not convinced it does much for a fairly fat guy like me.
