First cycle, 20 yrs. old

[resident_fool]

whats up bros..I am new to the board and looking for some input on my first cycle. I am 20 and have been training for 7 years. Currently I am 200lbs. with 7% bodyfat. I have done a few cycles of prohormones before such as mag10, etc. but this will be the first time for the real deal. I am planning on running it like this:

Weeks 1-4: 20mg/ED Dbol
Weeks 1-10: 400mg/week EQ
Weeks 1-8: 250mg/week test enan.
Weeks 9-12: 50mg/EOD winstrol

Ancillaries will be 25mg/ED proviron, and 10-20mg/ED Nolva

THe day after my last shot of winstrol, I am planning on doing 5000IU HCG, 5 days later I will do another 2500IU, 5 days later I will do a final 2500IU.

I will start clomid along with HCG, at a dose of 200mg. the first day, followed by 100mg/ED for 2 weeks, followed by 50mg/ED for 2 more weeks.

Planning on going for around 450-500 grams of protein per day. Same amount of carbs. Will keep my fat intake at 80-100 grams per day. Shooting for approx 4500 calories total. Coming from clean foods and some weight gain shakes. On the weekends I plan to cheat a little and still eat a lot of calories but eat some junk food too. Lastly, I am planning on drinking 1-2 gallons of water per day.

Planning on training 5 days/week. Hitting each bodypart twice/week. Also doing 2-sessions of cardio/week for 40 mins (running)

WHat do you guys think of this? I would appreciate any input, positive or negative...thanks

 

[gsevd]

Thats about the age I started its a good age. I like what you've done with ur cycle but I personally would add a little more test. 500mg would much be better. You want if anything to have more test. I also would do at least 35 d-bol. Twenty is rather on the low end to see much resukts. It seems you know what your doing for your firsy time. Thats also real good. Theres debate about how much hcg is really needed but in my opinion that a personal one.

 

[Ifrit]

Firstly I would wait until you were a little older being that your testosterone levels should be high enough for good gains. That being said I would do the testosterone one week past EQ to allow them to clear at the same time and if you are going to do the testosterone at 250mgs a week I would up the EQ to 600mgs a week because EQ is really week and it's effects won't kick in until at least 3 or 4 weeks and it won't be amazing. This is the advice I would give on your second or third cycle. I would do a testosterone enanthate only at 500mgs a week and Nolvadex and HCG post cycle.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Welcome to the board !!


First off.....you are too young to be doing this. If you can not make good gains now, with all your natural testosterone and HGH floating around your body, there is something wrong with your diet, or training.

That said, there is NO WAY you want to do 4 compounds on your first cycle. That is just crazy !! There is no way in hell you are going to know what steroid worked and what didn't, what you got sides from, etc. For a detailed explanation of "Why Test only for a first cycle", have a look at this thread.... http://www.steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23190

What you should be doing for a first cycle is a single ester test like enanthate or cypionate @ 500mg/week for 8-10 weeks. That's it. keep it simple and learn how you react to test before stacking any more stuff with it.


Aslo, you post cycle therapy (pct) is a litle off base, have a look at the two "stickies: at the top of this page concerning a proper post cycle therapy (pct), they should help steer you in the right direction.

 

[Golden_Muscle]

I think that cycle is way too big. The enanthate alone is enough for 20lbs for a first cycle.

 

[E-Swift25]

I'd drop both the orals, you don't need them on a first cycle.

 

[JohnnyB]

I'll add that your hcg isn't the best way to be used either. Do some more reseach, deffinitly wait a few years too.

JohnnyB

 

[resident_fool]

thanks for the advice..right now I feel that at 20 and 6'1'', I pretty much reached the height I will stay at (my dad is 6'1'' also). I also think I have came close to my natural potential..perhaps if I were to train and eat very clean and get lots of sleep for the next 3 or 4 years, I would get to around 210-215 naturally? Seems to me that as long as the cycle and the post cycle therapy (pct) is done right, I shouldnt mess anything up, and should give myself a jumpstart into a new level of growth. ANyways, I dont agree with the too young thing, know a few bros my age or younger who have juiced and came out fine. I do have another question, if anyone knows...why do some say that if a teenager takes steroids he can permanently mess up his test production for life? Isnt that true of guys all ages, if they dont do proper post cycle therapy (pct)? And as long as a teen, or in my case, a 20 y/o does do post cycle therapy (pct) right, things should be fine? Thanks

 

[daan69]

are you sure your 7% bf dude... sounds like you just took a guess because you are pretty lean.

i dont know too many kids 20 yrs old that are 200 with 7%bf

My advise is the same: your too young.
However you are probably going to proceed with the cycle anyways so
dont use the dbol or the winny<-----big mistake for 1st cycle trust me
test and eq should be fine
Run the enanthate 1 week past the EQ

take the hcg 500 iu e3d... make sure you read up on sub-q injections

 

[resident_fool]

I have done some more research on this site..and learned more about everything..I am planning on going with daan69's suggestion of leaving out the Winstrol (winny) and d-bol. Have a buddy that also wants to run a cycle. We are thinking of dividing it up like this: one of us does the test and eq, the other one does the dbol and Winstrol (winny) and compare results. Thanks for the replies.

 

[rami]

Do you have a pic?! I sure like to see a pic of 20y young man 200lb with %7 bf, plz post one if you have.

 

[Stone]

I have done some more research on this site..and learned more about everything..I am planning on going with daan69's suggestion of leaving out the Winstrol (winny) and d-bol. Have a buddy that also wants to run a cycle. We are thinking of dividing it up like this: one of us does the test and eq, the other one does the dbol and Winstrol (winny) and compare results. Thanks for the replies.

Not a flame, but what the hell is that going to tell you? I'll tell you right now the test/Eq combo will win. WAY too many variables in that scenerio to tell you anything usefull. As far as being too young, by the time I hit 20 I just couldn't put it off any longer, so do what you gotta do, just do it right. I like the test E/ Eq combo ending the test one week after Eq and starting post cycle therapy (pct) two weeks after that. I would run the hcg more consistantly throughout the cycle, and then run a more conventional post cycle therapy (pct) afterword. Always gives me less shutdown and a quicker recovery. On the plus side it shows you did your research first, then asked questions. Always the right way to go. Let us know what you decide to go with.

 

[tinydb84]

I dont see whats wrong with a 20 yr old at 200 and 7%. I am 19 been lifting for 3 yrs, 6'1' 215 with 12%. i think its possible for some one who has been training longer with good genetics to be at 200 and 7%.

 

[daan69]

I dont see whats wrong with a 20 yr old at 200 and 7%. I am 19 been lifting for 3 yrs, 6'1' 215 with 12%. i think its possible for some one who has been training longer with good genetics to be at 200 and 7%.

It is possible, but most likely an eneducated estimate.

how often do you go to the doc and get a body composition test done?

 

[swift ninja]

Be careful with high doses of HCG, 5000iu may be too much for your testes, you might desensitize them to LH. 250iu every week is sufficient to keep your balls intact.

Also way too many compounds for your first cycle dude, keep it simple. Dbol + Winstrol (winny) is not a good idea, both are 17-aa which means you'll be fuckin your liver up. Choose one or the other.

 

[resident_fool]

The winstrol will be the injectable version BTW. Still waiting for my source to get my order to me, so I have some more time to decide which way to run things..Iam pretty excited for it to come in though, I am also going to run humalog with it for the first 4 weeks, and again when I start my PCT, I have used humalog before with prohormones and seemed to do well on it. I'll post my progress on here and take some before and afters in case there r any other 20y/o's out there wanting some advice.

Here is another question, what does everyone on here think about doing HST training only 3x a week while ON? Has anyone tried it, and if so , have you got better results than say a typical 5 or 6 day a week workouts, doing each bodypart twice a week?

 

[daan69]

The winstrol will be the injectable version BTW. Still waiting for my source to get my order to me, so I have some more time to decide which way to run things..Iam pretty excited for it to come in though, I am also going to run humalog with it for the first 4 weeks, and again when I start my PCT, I have used humalog before with prohormones and seemed to do well on it. I'll post my progress on here and take some before and afters in case there r any other 20y/o's out there wanting some advice.

Here is another question, what does everyone on here think about doing HST training only 3x a week while ON? Has anyone tried it, and if so , have you got better results than say a typical 5 or 6 day a week workouts, doing each bodypart twice a week?

for the Winstrol (winny), it doesnt matter. Even the inj is 17aa.

i dont train each muscle group more than once a week. if you want to hit it twice i would recommend doing the major lifts once a week(shoulder press, deads, squats, bench, rows, etc.), then perhaps hitting the minor groups twice

 

[brooklynheight]

anyone who is named after a videogame is to young for the game

 

[drk_diggler]

The winstrol will be the injectable version BTW. Still waiting for my source to get my order to me, so I have some more time to decide which way to run things..Iam pretty excited for it to come in though, I am also going to run humalog with it for the first 4 weeks, and again when I start my PCT, I have used humalog before with prohormones and seemed to do well on it. I'll post my progress on here and take some before and afters in case there r any other 20y/o's out there wanting some advice.

Here is another question, what does everyone on here think about doing HST training only 3x a week while ON? Has anyone tried it, and if so , have you got better results than say a typical 5 or 6 day a week workouts, doing each bodypart twice a week?

Winny is a 17aa either way... You are doing a 3rd or 4th cycle for your 1st with minimal doses... The more stuff you use dosent mean its gonna make you any bigger... If I was you I'd stick with...
500 enan 1-9
400 eq 1-8
You could run 25 mgs dbol ed 1-5 for a kickstart but its not necessary.
If you have 7% bf already then you really dont need to use the Winstrol (winny). You are gonna get better results from this cycle.

 

[resident_fool]

I have enough Test EN for 250mg/week for 10 weeks, and enough EQ for 400mg/week for 10 weeks. Planning on running it like that, and starting and ending the Test one week after the EQ.