first cycle, and yes it does have tren... please critique

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MAXOUT

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Lemme start with my stats:

Im 22 years old, 5'10" , 205 lbs. about 20% bf.
Ive been lifting for almost 10 years now. Only in the past 4 years has my bf% gone up this high due to the alabama football team trying to bulk me up.

Ive been lurking around this forum for years now and have finally decided that i want do a cycle. My goal is to drop bf and try to get back down to the 180lb range where i was cut like crap. Ive gotten my diet and cardio down pretty well too. I think im finally ready.

This is the cycle i have planned:

weeks 1-8: Test E 500 mgs/week
weeks 1-8: Tren E 250-300 mgs/week
weeks 4-8: Clen 20mcgs/day, working up to 40mcgs/day

possibly throwing in some T3 along with the Clen, just dont know yet.

I know for a first cycle you guys are going to recommend Test alone, and i am still considering it. the reason i am adding Tren is because #1 i have it, #2 i like the potential results i can see from it, and #3 im not worried about the sides from it. to be honest, i kinda wish id get some loss of libido sides because im one of those people who gets an erection all too often and at the wrong times. you wouldnt think its a problem, but it is!

any suggestions/comments would be greatly appreciated!
 
terrible cycle, way too strong. if you want to really fuck with your head throw some dbol in and the androgen high will knock your socks off.

stick to the test alone or go low test low tren.
tren is such a rollercoaster it is not wise for first timer. if you DO insist on using it, for the love of god use acetate. that way you can adjust it easily.

yeah you think you want the tren sides, but you dont. it will actually change your personality. i think this is a good thing as i makes me a more aggresive salesman, and it makes me everybodies friend.
my point is it is a strong drug and running it with that much test is just too much for a noob IMO.

oh...plus you dont need it bro! you can cut well on half that dose, no shit!
 
I understand your enthusiasm kid but you really should wise up. I know you aint gonna appreciate being told your too young so I wont bother but what I will say is that you should not stack drugs on a first outing, capice?

At this stage you need to do a basic cycle of one steroid only over 8 - 12 weeks and analyse the effects on your body. Work out the positive and negative sides and then maybe second cycle you can add in something else and see what that does but before all that and this is paramount, "READ AND LEARN EVERYTHING ABOUT PCT".
 
Warmachine said:
terrible cycle, way too strong. if you want to really fuck with your head throw some dbol in and the androgen high will knock your socks off.

stick to the test alone or go low test low tren.
tren is such a rollercoaster it is not wise for first timer. if you DO insist on using it, for the love of god use acetate. that way you can adjust it easily.

yeah you think you want the tren sides, but you dont. it will actually change your personality. i think this is a good thing as i makes me a more aggresive salesman, and it makes me everybodies friend.
my point is it is a strong drug and running it with that much test is just too much for a noob IMO.

oh...plus you dont need it bro! you can cut well on half that dose, no shit!
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well im glad i posted that before i started the cycle. looks like ill just be doing a test cycle only. one question though, is 500 mgs/week Test E still too high by itself for a first cycle? and i can still run the clen though right? (ok, two questions, bite me - im from bama remember! :Pat: )

im going to keep the tren though in case i decided to use it in a 2nd cycle. if i do, what would you guys recommend as a low dosage 2nd cycle?

and oh yeah, i really appreciate the input!
 
500 mg of test E is excellent for first cycle .
but you clen dosing is to low start 40 microgram and finish with 80
some get to 120 . divide the pils all day long for prolong effect !

if your craving for another substance get some Winstrol (winny) / Anavar (var) / primo (pills only)
it will help you to be leaner !!!
 
Let me get this straight...you want to do test to get big and clen to get small...hmmmm.

One or the other. Either lean out before your cycle or after your cycle.

Oh...Test only at 500mgs a week is a good first cycle period. Eat, lift, sleep and grow.
 
well i was planning on doing a cutting cycle, and my original plan was to do tren alone like this:

Tren 300 mgs/week
Clen
t3

but after a lot of research i realized that you can "cut" on pretty much any cycle with a good diet and cardio routine. the Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is primarily to keep from losing muscle while running clen and t3. that is why i was so interested in the tren. id like to harden up and drop bf more than i would like to get any bigger.
 
MAXOUT said:
well i was planning on doing a cutting cycle, and my original plan was to do tren alone like this:

Tren 300 mgs/week
Clen
t3

but after a lot of research i realized that you can "cut" on pretty much any cycle with a good diet and cardio routine. the Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is primarily to keep from losing muscle while running clen and t3. that is why i was so interested in the tren. id like to harden up and drop bf more than i would like to get any bigger.
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In that case, just run 4-500mg Test E for 10-12 weeks and a good Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like Aromasin to keep the water off and control any E sides. Make sure your diet is in check and hit the cardio hard.

Tren is normally used in a 4th, or even 5th cycle. I can't recommend a 2nd cycle b/c I don't know what you goals are. Certain compunds are better in a cutting cycle vs. bulking cycle.

Oh and BTW...War Eagle:)
 
That is true that test will help to maintain muscle during a calorie deficient diet...I think you should just concentrate on diet and cardio for right now. You're still young enough that you could drop BF at a pretty good rate.
 
JT190 said:
In that case, just run 4-500mg Test E for 10-12 weeks and a good Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like Aromasin to keep the water off and control any E sides. Make sure your diet is in check and hit the cardio hard.

Tren is normally used in a 4th, or even 5th cycle. I can't recommend a 2nd cycle b/c I don't know what you goals are. Certain compunds are better in a cutting cycle vs. bulking cycle.

Oh and BTW...War Eagle:)
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Thanks JT190, i was gunna ask about Aromasin but you went ahead and answered my question. Guess its a good idea to have some nolva/clomid on hand too just in case.

As for my goals, i want to cut up while adding some lean mass. i have no desire to look like a competitive bb (no offense to anyone). and i definitely dont want that nice bloated look as im already kinda puffy to begin with, but bf is slowing droppin...

and damn, i was under the impression that nothing good ever came out of "the plains!" - ROLL TIDE!
 
MAXOUT said:
Thanks JT190, i was gunna ask about Aromasin but you went ahead and answered my question. Guess its a good idea to have some nolva/clomid on hand too just in case.

As for my goals, i want to cut up while adding some lean mass. i have no desire to look like a competitive bb (no offense to anyone). and i definitely dont want that nice bloated look as im already kinda puffy to begin with, but bf is slowing droppin...

and damn, i was under the impression that nothing good ever came out of "the plains!" -WAR EAGLE!
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sorry i couldnt help it :chimney:
 
Last year was my first cycle and used test cyp ; 500mgs/week. It was painless and had some decent gains.

Second cycle I added EQ and noticed no difference between the added EQ and the test only. Probably didn't use enough EQ .... ???

This year I wanted to do Tren , but wasn't doing EOD injections so went with the Tren E despite advice from others to use Tren A for the first time. I decided to take the chance with Tren E. I did 600mgs week of Test LE and 300mgs week of Tren E. I'm starting week seven of it Monday and planned for eight weeks of it. Man, I hate to see it end !

Like nearly everyone else who tried Tren, I can say this the shit !! Things I've heard others say about it like " If you can stand the sides, Tren will make a new man out of you " ;
" Once you try Tren , you'll never go back", etc is the whole truth and nothing but the truth. What a body comp change it had on me in a month. I did eat strict and my calories were below maintainence, but the addition of Tren was the difference like between night and day. I've dieted and cut in the past but of course the results weren't anything like this ! This is the Drug Of the Gods.

It seems I'm one of the lucky ones who had zero sides from Tren ; no cough, no night sweats, no Tren dick ( actually the opposite with me ! ) Maybe I won't be so lucky next time but this cycle was so sweet that I'll be back again for it next spring.

Question to experianced users who may be reading this :

Have any of you ever ran only one cycle a year , but ran it longer than the typical 12 weeks ? If I wanted to do only one cycle a year of Test/Tren , could you go maybe ten weeks with Tren and 14-16 with Test, if this was your only cycle of the year ?

That would be roughly four months on ... spring/summer ... while you'd be off all winter for eight months. Feasible or a dumb-ass idea ?
 
Thanks for sharing your experience VJ, glad to hear you had such good results. I've yet to use tren but I know that many guys prefer 4, 5, or even 6 month cycles to multiple shorter ones. This is something I will definitely try in the future.
 
My only problem with tren is the blood pressure. Aromatase inhibitor (AI) don't help so I cut my 8 week to a 6 week just because of BP. I occasionally had night sweats, never lost libido and main some great gains. This was about a year ago....would like to try it again but want to get my BF down and get my cardio up in the hopes of having better luck with BP.
 
i think you should cut naturally down to atleast 195, maybe 190. ill tell you you wont gain muscle if you are cutting aggresively youll just keep all of what you have. if you use the test now, youll bloat up enough so you wont even see any cut results until you come off cycle.

SO, cut first! then hit your cycle and eat alot and put on 20lbs!
oh wait...you wanted to be 180 and ripped...then just send me your AS and do it all natty.
 
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