appleton111
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when you you start your cycle davinc?
First Cycle. Criticism welcome.
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Nightmare007
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I recommend a test only cycle for your first
Check out http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...ycling-beginners-guide-safe-androgen-use.html
I've written it to help beginners like you
Check out http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...ycling-beginners-guide-safe-androgen-use.html
I've written it to help beginners like you
Appleton111 Blood work should be back in tomorrow. Im waiting for my order of Ralox, Clomid and Aromasin to get in. I would imagine Ill probably start the cycle mid Feb. I've decided to drop the Dbol and lowered the test to 500 instead of 600. And will be using AI from start of cycle.
Second off the blood results came back. And WTF.
Testosterone - 476 ng/dL
Estradiol - 18.1 pg/mL
LH - 4.7
FSH - 4.0
Glad to see that my test and estradiol are extremely low for my age. I want to go home and inject my self right now. However I don't have all the ancillaries yet so that's a negative ghost rider.
And what I also found funny was the fact that I've been taking creatine for close to two months and my levels came back at 1.23 mg/dL
All other results were within their normal ranges
besides my A/G ratio and AST.
Testosterone - 476 ng/dL
Estradiol - 18.1 pg/mL
LH - 4.7
FSH - 4.0
Glad to see that my test and estradiol are extremely low for my age. I want to go home and inject my self right now. However I don't have all the ancillaries yet so that's a negative ghost rider.
And what I also found funny was the fact that I've been taking creatine for close to two months and my levels came back at 1.23 mg/dL
All other results were within their normal ranges
besides my A/G ratio and AST.
oldmusclemike
Well-known member
Very good . Now there are many stickys and you are not done until you read them all.
Learn about Estrogen and Prolactin. Read the unwanted sides of low and high E2 they are similar. Any Q's then come on back , jack
Injecting test won't raise your natural levels at all. Your natty levels may be even lower after pct than they are now. Something you may want to consider before starting a cycle..
I'm aware that the foreign test will not increase my natural test level. Reading one study showed that 600mg for 20 weeks resulted in test levels coming in over 2,000 ng/dL. That's close to 5 times what I'm currently at. I think it will be interesting to note the overall changes I experience aside from the muscle gain.
Hi op
I'm A newbie to this forum so this is just what I think and know from past cycles that I have run
But is not gospel
Lets get down to it.
You should always run an AI, for the price of it, its best to be safe than sorry
I always run Arimidex through my cycles as I seem to be prone to high estrogen conversion
Hence my change from Tren to Primo.
Also for your first cycle... just test is normally the done thing but I added EQ to the fold
needs to be run high to get the full benefit.
as for pins
I use 30mm for my butt and 25mm elsewhere
hope this helps a little op
regards T
I'm A newbie to this forum so this is just what I think and know from past cycles that I have run
But is not gospel
Lets get down to it.
You should always run an AI, for the price of it, its best to be safe than sorry
I always run Arimidex through my cycles as I seem to be prone to high estrogen conversion
Hence my change from Tren to Primo.
Also for your first cycle... just test is normally the done thing but I added EQ to the fold
needs to be run high to get the full benefit.
as for pins
I use 30mm for my butt and 25mm elsewhere
hope this helps a little op
regards T
Hi op
I'm A newbie to this forum so this is just what I think and know from past cycles that I have run
But is not gospel
Lets get down to it.
You should always run an AI, for the price of it, its best to be safe than sorry
I always run Arimidex through my cycles as I seem to be prone to high estrogen conversion
Hence my change from Tren to Primo.
Also for your first cycle... just test is normally the done thing but I added EQ to the fold
needs to be run high to get the full benefit.
as for pins
I use 30mm for my butt and 25mm elsewhere
hope this helps a little op
regards T
Tren doesn't convert to estrogen.
Yes, this is true but after the cycle is over your natty levels may return to even lower than they are now. What this means is you'll have one hell of a time trying to hold onto any gains after cycle. Most likely won't happen..
soldier74
avi changes as i do
You might want to read the newbie stickies too brahh...jus sayinHi op
I'm A newbie to this forum so this is just what I think and know from past cycles that I have run
But is not gospel
Lets get down to it.
You should always run an AI, for the price of it, its best to be safe than sorry
I always run Arimidex through my cycles as I seem to be prone to high estrogen conversion
Hence my change from Tren to Primo.
Also for your first cycle... just test is normally the done thing but I added EQ to the fold
needs to be run high to get the full benefit.
as for pins
I use 30mm for my butt and 25mm elsewhere
hope this helps a little op
regards T
oldmusclemike
Well-known member
Listen Tren and Deca as stated do not convert to Estrogen but the 19nor by their nature cause the rise in progestins. Progesterone increases because too many receptors are activated by progestin. Progestins are compounds that act on these receptors, such as Trenbolone and nandrolone or any 19-nor steroid. This is what causes progesterone to increase and why you see the increase when these steroids are introduced. You never need protection with other steroids because others are not progestins so we control our Estradiol. Tren is of progestin nature.
Now since the progesterone is increased it directly stimulates estrogenic activity and in return we have the sides of too high E2. The best way then you see is back to control the Estrogen. We know that high estrogen will increase prolactin.
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See we don't get Gyno and other sides from 19nor because of no aromatizing. Then we are left with using something like Cialis for ED and Caber to control the prolactin for orgasms.
IMOP and for me I need to have more then just normal BW mid cycle using Deca because the prolactin is so sensitive to the E2 number. With that said the number is different for everyone.
That's the closest I can explain it.
NOTE : this information can be found directly on one our sticky's and together with the steroid profiles which is why I always tell newbies to familiarize themselves with the profiles.
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Nightmare007
New member
Wait till you have EVERYTHING on hand buddy
Good luck
I've waited this long whats another week or two. It is very tempting to just start. Thanks for all the words of advice!
I decided to get blood work done again just to verify the results from the first test. Here are the changes
Test went from 476 to 673
Estradiol went from 18.1 to 41.7
Lh went from 4.7 to 7.2
FSH went from 4.0 to 4.5
I attribute this change to going earlier in the morning for my test.
Also I decided to add prolactin to the test and that came back at 11
Test went from 476 to 673
Estradiol went from 18.1 to 41.7
Lh went from 4.7 to 7.2
FSH went from 4.0 to 4.5
I attribute this change to going earlier in the morning for my test.
Also I decided to add prolactin to the test and that came back at 11
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appleton111
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