First Cycle - Dbol + Susta + Winny

[paulmf]

Hello everybody! First of all let me introduce myself.
My name is Paul, Im 26, 181cm, 84kg and been training for 10 years.

This is my first cycle ever and I want to do it right. Ive done my research, and after reading a lot, I came out with this, let me know what you all think before starting.

Week 1-4 Dbol 30mg ED
Week 1-8 Sustanon 250 EW (only once per week)
Week 5-10 Winstrol 30mg ED
Week 11 Nolva 30 Clomid 100 ED
Week 12-13 Nolva 20 Clomid 50 ED

Should I change the susta for a Test E ? I dont want to put on so much weight, and want to keep the water retention to the lowest.
Also been reading about the HCG. I know its a must so Im thinking on doing it, but dont know if its 100% necessary considering my dosis.

Thanks in advance, and please excuse my english if anything is bad spelled

 

[Gainjin260]

Welcome to Ology.

What's your body fat? You're pretty light for training 10 years. If you've been trying to gain mass I'd be curious as to your training and diet. Always a good idea to make sure your program is optimized BEFORE you jump on a cycle.

Not sure where you've been doing research, but your proposed cycle is no good whatever.

You'll need to do your own research and learning on this board (read the stickies at the top of the main forum), but I'll give you a few pointers.

Cycle is way too short. Both Sus and test E are long esters- you won't start to see results until after week 5.
First cycle is TEST ONLY. Find out how your body reacts to test then add other compounds later. There is no way for you to effectively manage estrogen levels running that many compounds together as a first cycle.
Speaking of estrogen, you mention no Ai.
Winny- used for pre contest for pros.
Dbol- you DON'T want too put on that much weight? That's the whole point of dbol. Plus tons of water weight.
Your pct isn't correct.
Run hcg during cycle to put you in a better position to recover come pct.
test e vs Sus water retention? Test is Test. No difference for water retention. That's 100% estrogen management with your AI.

Please stay around and learn. I hope it's clear that you're not ready to inject powerful hormones just yet.

 

[paulmf]

Welcome to Ology.

What's your body fat? You're pretty light for training 10 years. If you've been trying to gain mass I'd be curious as to your training and diet. Always a good idea to make sure your program is optimized BEFORE you jump on a cycle.

Not sure where you've been doing research, but your proposed cycle is no good whatever.

You'll need to do your own research and learning on this board (read the stickies at the top of the main forum), but I'll give you a few pointers.

Cycle is way too short. Both Sus and test E are long esters- you won't start to see results until after week 5.
First cycle is TEST ONLY. Find out how your body reacts to test then add other compounds later. There is no way for you to effectively manage estrogen levels running that many compounds together as a first cycle.
Speaking of estrogen, you mention no Ai.
Winny- used for pre contest for pros.
Dbol- you DON'T want too put on that much weight? That's the whole point of dbol. Plus tons of water weight.
Your pct isn't correct.
Run hcg during cycle to put you in a better position to recover come pct.
test e vs Sus water retention? Test is Test. No difference for water retention. That's 100% estrogen management with your AI.

Please stay around and learn. I hope it's clear that you're not ready to inject powerful hormones just yet.

Thank you very much. I appreciate you taking the time on writing such a great post.

Im going to do some more reading and will come back later. Im not in any kind of hurry on doing this, I want to take my time and do it well.

Thanks again!

 

[Gainjin260]

If only every newbie were this humble and gracious.....