First cycle ever, Helladrol.

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Hi All

Ive been lurking here for a couple of months and this is my first post. A buddy of mine talked me into taking a cycle of test and at the last minute, i bitched out. I saw some videos and read about pinning and its not for me, yet… So i checked out some threads on Pro Hormones and decided to go with Helladrol. MrSupps has a full stack they sell to support the Helladrol but i see some other recommendations to take some over the counter DHEA along with the Helladrol as well. Below is the stack doses for 75mg per day of Helladrol. I see most guys on here go with 100mg or 125mg per day. Anything over 125mg per day and they see a lot of sides, which i don't want. I bought an extra bottle so i can go with 100mg per day. Does anyone have any useful info for me about my first planned cycle. Everything below is included in the stack. Do you see an issue with PCT with this. I see Clomid is very popular. Should this below suffice? 36 years old, 6', 195 lbs. 15%bf. Thanks a bunch!



1-4 Helladrol - 1 capsule 3 times a day spread out morning, noon, and night.
1-4 Forged Liver Support - 1 capsule 2 times a day morning and night.
4-8 Forged Post Cycle - 2 capsules 2 times a day morning and night.
4-10 Forma Stanzol - 5 pumps rubbed on your chest 2 times a day morning and night.

 

[Noob84]

You don't need 2 bottles for this cycle.

Run 6 weeks, not 4, Hella doesn't really kick in until week 3.

Use NAC during the cycle, I personally use N2Guard as cycle support, so I can't speak for forged.
You also want taurine and fishoil.

 

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Nac?

 

[Bootstomper]

Forged Liver actually has NAC in it and is a solid option. TUDCA is the gold standard for liver support, but if you already have forged liver you should be okay with a milder methylated PH like Hella.
Echoing what noob said, you want to run it 6 weeks, and you should be able to run a 6 weeks at 100mg per day with 1 bottle.
As for PCT, many will suggest a SERM such as clomid, many believe you can get by with the OTC PCT supps available.
As for if what you have is "enough", I would add at the minimum some generic DAA. I use premium powders DAA which you can get from the mrsupps store as well, or if money isn't a factor I'd add either Test Infusion, MHO Poppers, or Methyl EAA (any one of the 3).

With what you have above, this is how I would run the cycle.
Weeks 1-6
Helladrol 75/75/100/100/100/100
Forged Liver 0/0/2/2/2/2
(If you're adding OTC DHEA, I'd start forma in week 3 as well because regular DHEA can convert to estrogen)
So, if DHEA - start forma in week 3 10/10/10/10 pumps per day

PCT
Forged PCT as you have listed
Forma Stanzol 10/6/6/6
DAA @ 3g per day or any of the test boosters I mentioned at the suggest dosing on the bottle
(and then the SERM if you so choose)

Also as noob said, you'll want to run fish oil and Taurine (for back pumps) during cycle as well.

Other than that, Eat, train hard, rest hard and kill it!

 

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Thanks a bunch Man. I'm gonna get Clomid for PCT to be safe. I can take that with Forma Stanzol and the Forged PCT and I'll be safe? Will I still need DAA? I'm gonna get Taurine. I take fish oil daily. I really appreciate your feedback.

 

[mich29]

boot is on point here. tudca is my favorite on cycle support as well and has strong research behind it. dda you shouldn't need if you get a serm. taurine is good to pick up for back bump issues.

 

[nickb86]

Looks like some good advice here, id def go the 6 weeks and get your can from your efforts bro

 

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When should I start the Clomid? Week 6 or 7?

 

[Noob84]

I'd say 7.

 

[Bootstomper]

Yeah, 7... no reason to start it while the compound is still in your system. First day after end of cycle.
And what Mich said about the DAA... with the other stuff and clomid not needed
And yes to taking all that stuff together... While the majority recommend a serm for PCT, it's not enough by itself so the more you add to it the easier your recovery will be and the more likely you are to keep the majority gains.

 

[gymrat827]

Start at 100mg. Don't waste any time. Get shit popin.

 

[Bootstomper]

Start at 100mg. Don't waste any time. Get shit popin.

Could do that too, but I've tried it both ways and it doesn't seem to kick in any faster for me, so take that as you may OP.

 

[Noob84]

Here's what people are gonna tell you:

Run:
75 x 6
75 / 75 / 100 / 100 / 100 / 100
75 / 75 / 100 / 100 / 125 / 125
100 / 100 / 100 / 100 / 100 / 100

Know who's right?
All of them, 'cause everybody is different.

I'd start at 75 and see how you respond to it (sides wise).
You can always go up.

 

[Bootstomper]

Here's what people are gonna tell you:

Run:
75 x 6
75 / 75 / 100 / 100 / 100 / 100
75 / 75 / 100 / 100 / 125 / 125
100 / 100 / 100 / 100 / 100 / 100

Know who's right?
All of them, 'cause everybody is different.

I'd start at 75 and see how you respond to it (sides wise).
You can always go up.

Or 100/100/125/125/150/150
or 125/125/125/150/150/150
or...
or...

(Just echoing noobs point ... "to each their own"

 

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I'm gonna follow Noobs thread how hi did the first go round. I'll start out with 75 to see how my body reacts. It I have no sides the first week, I'm gonna go to 100 the second thru 6th. I did notice you used the Stanzol the entire cycle. Should I? I'm going to the Docs to get some blood work done Saturday. What should I look for or request? I really appreciate all of your feedback. I'm getting really excited to get rolling on this. I want to bench 350 BAD!

 

[Noob84]

The forma is supposedly good E control, so it shouldn't hurt. Is it required? Probably not.
But there is a good chance, that some of my recomp results were caused by the Forma as well. Keep that in mind.

There's an online source for blood work listed in the sticky section of the AAS forum.
Go there and get the "female hormone panel". Yes, you read that right.

I didn't, but I'm in Mexico... LOL. No way is anybody touching me with a needle down here.

 

[mich29]

The forma is supposedly good E control, so it shouldn't hurt. Is it required? Probably not.
But there is a good chance, that some of my recomp results were caused by the Forma as well. Keep that in mind.

There's an online source for blood work listed in the sticky section of the AAS forum.
Go there and get the "female hormone panel". Yes, you read that right.

I didn't, but I'm in Mexico... LOL. No way is anybody touching me with a needle down here.

lol

 

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The forma is supposedly good E control, so it shouldn't hurt. Is it required? Probably not.
But there is a good chance, that some of my recomp results were caused by the Forma as well. Keep that in mind.

There's an online source for blood work listed in the sticky section of the AAS forum.
Go there and get the "female hormone panel". Yes, you read that right.

I didn't, but I'm in Mexico... LOL. No way is anybody touching me with a needle down here.

LOLZ

Wonder what my Dr is gonna say when i tell him i want to get a "female hormone panel". Man I'm gonna be in for i lecture i would think. Any other way around this? LOL Also i see others using Dermacrine. Should i use this as well? Or will the Forma be sufficient. My package should arrive today or Monday! I just want to be prepared. Im gonna need another bottle of Forma i just realized.

 

[Noob84]

No, you don't go to your doctor at all.

Google private med labs or something like that. They'll sell you the panel and you just have to go to a lab near you to have it done.

Dermacrine is a test booster.
Forma is AI and suppsodely a fat burner.

Different things.
Haven't tried derma, can't speak to it.

 

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Just googled it. They want $62. I get free blood work done thru my insurance***8230;. Ill get a full blood panel done and post some stuff when its done. Thanks man.