First Cycle - Inventory - help with best protocol

[bapestar]

Hi Guys,

I'm new but I've been researching for a couple of months, everyone has their own regimen so i really didn't find anything that fits my needs specifically but I did manage to come up with own first cycle.

About me:
I'm 32@18% bf looking to tone and gain some muscle in the process.

Here is what I'm looking to purchase and would like help sorting out how to best administer them. Thinking starting and ending with prop so I can jump into PCT quicker.

2x 10ml prop (dragon)
2x 10ml enan (dragon)
HCG 5000iu
Var 5000mg (kalpa)
clomid 1250mg (calpa)
Nizoral Shampoo 2% (J&J)
Nizoral Cream 2% (J%J)
Nolva 500mg (Fresenius)
Propecia 50mg (Calpa)

If I'm missing something please let me know.

I'm thinking a 14 week cycle.

 

[rowdybrad]

For first cycle you probably should just go with Test E or Cyp. Forget about the hair loss stuff, if you have baldness in the genes then whatever you want to do.

For your cycle just do a simple beginner cycle.

Week 1-14 500mg Test
Week 8-14 50mg Anavar
250iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) Days of pin
.25mg Arimidex Day of pin (increase as needed)

Prop can be a little more pain and hassle. I would go with different brands that are not known to be faked often.

Then go in to your post cycle therapy (pct) at the appropriate time

 

[bapestar]

I dont believe I have the gene but the bottle is like 5 bucks from india and is included with the shipping with the post cycle therapy (pct), doesn't seem like a bad deal to rid of some dht on the scalp, cant go wrong i dont think, opinion? also was going to order from EK so counterfeit i dont believe is an issue. I see dragon has less pip then kalpa but thats just in a days overview of the net.

 

[bapestar]

Oh and I forgot I have Aromasin from a research site 12.5 40/ct already.

 

[bapestar]

Also using prop at the end i hear is good for faster recovery, is that false?

 

[rowdybrad]

No it's true, it's just a hassle for most first timers. It will work and the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will help. Aromasin is ok, I like adex personally. Be sure it is REAL, there are places that sell fake post cycle therapy (pct) supplies.

Have a great cycle bro!

 

[TheMinister]

Half of your list is hair loss stuff, they come with sides too. But I know how you feel. Eventually you'll come round, probably the following cycle.

 

[bapestar]

Half of your list is hair loss stuff, they come with sides too. But I know how you feel. Eventually you'll come round, probably the following cycle.

Haha... I hope not. I currently have a full head of hair, besides the propecia (not going to use unless I see anything) what sides does the norizal have?

 

[bapestar]

No it's true, it's just a hassle for most first timers. It will work and the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will help. Aromasin is ok, I like adex personally. Be sure it is REAL, there are places that sell fake PCT supplies.

Have a great cycle bro!

Thanks for you help, using your layout here's what I was thinking

Weeks:
1-4 prop 75mg e2d
1-4 enan 75mg e4d
1-4 Anavar (var) 50mg ed
5-12 enan 250mg e3.5d
13-14 prop 100 e2d
8-14 Anavar (var) 100mg ed
15-17 Nolva 40mg ed
18-19 Nolva 20mg ed
15-19 Clomid 50mg ed
1-14 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 250iu e3d
1-14 Aromasin 12.5 ed

Any thoughts?

 

[bapestar]

Btw this cycle is intended to be for a body recomp.

 

[creekrat]

For first cycle you probably should just go with Test E or Cyp. Forget about the hair loss stuff, if you have baldness in the genes then whatever you want to do.

For your cycle just do a simple beginner cycle.

Week 1-14 500mg Test
Week 8-14 50mg Anavar
250iu HCG Days of pin
.25mg Arimidex Day of pin (increase as needed)

Prop can be a little more pain and hassle. I would go with different brands that are not known to be faked often.

Then go in to your pct at the appropriate time

Stick to something like this if you throw in anything other than the test. Your body may react differently to the different compounds and with all the stuff that you want to run you's never know which compound was giving off unwanted or harmful sides. Stick with something simple the first go round and then for subsequent cycles you can add in others.

 

[VictorZ06]

In regard to anabolics, test alone for the first time is the way to roll. Sure, you can use an oral as well....but IMHO, you are better off seeing how your body reacts to test and to test alone. I'm all for front loading and kick starting, but not for a first timer bro.



/V

 

[justin h]

^^^yep^^^

 

[bapestar]

So your suggesting no Anavar (var) during the last weeks of the cycle? Can I keep a bottle of prop on hand to frontload if all is going well at week 12? Was my post cycle therapy (pct) dosage good or do I need to adjust?

 

[thades]

post cycle therapy (pct) looks good, but you dont need to wait a week between your last pin and start of your post cycle therapy (pct) IF you decide to end with the prop. If you end with prop, which isn't recommended, but if you decide to, then wait 3-4 days after last pin and start post cycle therapy (pct).

I agree with above that you should stick to just test the first cycle, whether you start and end with prop is debatable, but just stick to test this time around.

Good luck!

 

[VictorZ06]

Only good thing with ending with prop is that you can start post cycle therapy (pct) quicker, as the prop ester is far shorter than enan or cyp. Others will argue to end with prop as you will retain a little less water. Eh... IMHO, stick with one ester (c/e) and forget the prop,...especially since this is your first run. Good luck.




/V

 

[bapestar]

Thanks guys, based on your suggestions I've modified my cycle to this

1-14 Test E 250mg e4d
1-14 Aromasin 12.5mg e2d
8-14 Anavar (var) 50 mg ed (25mg per 8-9 hours)

The only remaining questions I have are

a) which week to start the HCG 250iu (assuming one day before test shot) and when to end?
b) one week or two weeks after last test pin to start pct?
c) should I take any other supplements for example liver support, creatine week 1-14, multis, anything else like fish oil, zinc, taurine, hcgen etc.. and duration to make life easier while on cycle and see maximum benefits?
d) for body recomp should I be eating below, maintenance or above maintenance calories, what is the best c/f/p ratio for this?

 

[thades]

Ideally you should start the HCG from the beginning of your cycle, or at least by the second week. Some will argue thats over kill, but why not stay ahead of the game and make life easier in the long run.

Start post cycle therapy (pct) two weeks after last pin.

I would take all the supplements you normally take, why not? We are always trying to get the most out of our bodies, and your body is especially susceptible to things you give it when on cycle so take advantage of that. You don't need to buy every supp available on the market, but definitely at least have creatine, some good Bcaa's, fish oil, a good multi, and Dorian always recommended vitamin C as one of the best supps you could take.

You said your goal, in your initial post, was to tone(assuming you meant lose some fat?) and gain some muscle as well. For goals like that, I would recommend having your calorie count 500-1000 above maintenance. While you're on though, I would definitely error on the high side.

One other thing, cause it seems like you were looking for something alittle more, you could pin every 3 days versus 4, same amount(250mg). Gonna give you slightly more stable blood levels, although with test e the difference between 3-4 days is probably negligible, but in the end it will give you alittle more overall, since you'll have put more in your system over the span of the cycle. Don't have to, just a thought since it seemed like you wanted something alittle more.

 

[bapestar]

much appreciated brother, is there a ratio i should be following to avoid any unnecessary bf and for optimal recomp results?

 

[jdawg123]

I've read some awful stuff on propecia, it sounds like the treatment is potentially much worse than the ailment. Not that being bald is so bad. I am pretty sure there is a class action lawsuit now against the makers of propecia (finasteride). I'd be very cautious with it.