First cycle, is everything good?

[meyers462]

Okay let me break it down for you.
W 1-10 test cyp 250mg x2 a week
W 1-4 dbol 40mg an hour before gym
W 1-10 arimidex .5 every day and 10days after cycle
PCT: novadex 40/40/20/20 possibly add in clomid

Age:20
Lifting: 1.5 years seriously
Height: 5'8
Weight: 171 lbs 15%bf (skin fold test)

I take bodybuilding seriously and am willing to do whatever it takes. I plan on competing next year and I want to blow my competition out of the water

I also ran 2 ph cycles before and had blood work done and my test is fine

 

[RR88]

Drop the dbol. Test only first cycle. Long ester so I'd do 12-14 weeks. Also hcg during 250 iu twice a week and clomid with nolva always.

 

[Megatron28]

Too young. Let your brain/endocrine system finish developing.

Don't run that cycle either. Regardless of how old you may be. It is missing some crucial elements.

 

[meyers462]

Too young. Let your brain/endocrine system finish developing.

Don't run that cycle either. Regardless of how old you may be. It is missing some crucial elements.

I already ordered it I'm not gonna waste #####.

 

[meyers462]

Drop the dbol. Test only first cycle. Long ester so I'd do 12-14 weeks. Also hcg during 250 iu twice a week and clomid with nolva always.

Why drop the dbol? Isn't it like superdrol? I took 2cycles of that. I plan on cuting to 7% bf before I run the cycle though. How much size do you think I will put on? I follow strict diet, and will people be able to notice I am on it?

 

[fitguy22]

if you want to run test for 10 weeks than do test prop, if you do test C you should do at least 12 weeks.
take blood test before,mid cycle and after pct to see where you are.
obi people will notice that you are on a cycle,esp with dbol; the water weight will come quick. depending on your diet you could put on 20-25 pounds with this cycle and hard work.

you should listen to megatron and Hold on a while before doing a cycle

 

[traps09]

Too young. You're only at the intermittent stage of weightlifting and introducing AAS to a program that i'm sure needs some tweaking, is only complicating matters. As Megatron said, let your endocrime system develop a little before you go messing up something you can't repair.

 

[meyers462]

Too young. You're only at the intermittent stage of weightlifting and introducing AAS to a program that i'm sure needs some tweaking, is only complicating matters. As Megatron said, let your endocrime system develop a little before you go messing up something you can't repair.

I hear what yous are saying. I think I'll wait, but how long? I want to try and be as big if not bigger then jay cutler. All I want in life is that honestly. But then what do I do with $##### worth of gear when it comes to my house?

Also since I am most likely going to wait to cycle; do you think I should still cut to 7% and bulk back up? Or keep bulking right now, I'm at 171 lbs and 15%bf

Also this is my blood work
Free test: 16.4
Total test: 685

 

[mountainmogul]

You've only been training "seriously" for 1.5 years. You don't even know what serious training is in that short span of time. Twenty yrs old and you want to take all that crap. You need to train at minimum, 3-5 years natural, then you will have developed a fairly solid base naturally. At your young age you should take full advantage of the fact that you still have lots of time to make gains naturally. Then after that you can think about going on a cycle. And even @ that, it should be a light dose of test cyp, @ 250-300 mg's/wkly for 10-12 wks. This prospective cycle will give a 1st timer very noticeable gains.

 

[China_Wall]

I hear what yous are saying. I think I'll wait, but how long? I want to try and be as big if not bigger then jay cutler. All I want in life is that honestly. But then what do I do with $400 worth of gear when it comes to my house?

Also since I am most likely going to wait to cycle; do you think I should still cut to 7% and bulk back up? Or keep bulking right now, I'm at 171 lbs and 15%bf

Also this is my blood work
Free test: 16.4
Total test: 685

do you really know what 7% bf feels like, or the challenges of even getting there??? so if, and only if you do get to 7% you're gonna be 140lbs or less, and you're gonna feel like utter shit... is that your goal?

and just the simple thing like you stating "dbol an hour before gym" means you're nowhere near ready...

put on another 20lbs by eating and training, keeping your bf% <15 and read for a couple years about what work for other people, then maybe you can dive in

 

[Megatron28]

Just store your gear in a climate controlled dark place. In your house should be fine. Or get a safe deposit box at the bank - they cost about $25 a year for a small one.

Keep in mind that some of your ancillaries may require refrigeration. I keep mine in a small "dorm" fridge. But don't store your test in the fridge as it will crash the solution.

This stuff will keep fine until you are ready. And do not get the idea of selling or giving it to a buddy at the gym. It is not worth getting a felony distribution charge.

 

[meyers462]

do you really know what 7% bf feels like, or the challenges of even getting there??? so if, and only if you do get to 7% you're gonna be 140lbs or less, and you're gonna feel like utter shit... is that your goal?

and just the simple thing like you stating "dbol an hour before gym" means you're nowhere near ready...

put on another 20lbs by eating and training, keeping your bf% <15 and read for a couple years about what work for other people, then maybe you can dive in

So I'm 15% bulking is only going to make it higher, I can't see abs anymore. The fatter I get the lazier and less motivated I am. When I was 125 lbs I was about 9% I'm 171 at 15% now

 

[China_Wall]

So I'm 15% bulking is only going to make it higher, I can't see abs anymore. The fatter I get the lazier and less motivated I am. When I was 125 lbs I was about 9% I'm 171 at 15% now

at 15% upper abs can still be visible, under 10% and every ab you own is visible... people's idea of bf% is so distorted

your bf% will NOT go up if you eat properly, cutting out the crap... it's not rocket science

gain 20lbs over a couple years, take your time, it's not a race

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

your bf% will NOT go up if you eat properly, cutting out the crap... it's not rocket science

China I respect that your a knowledgeable member of this board.

However, that point of view is factually incorrect for a natty like the OP.
The fact is if he decides to keep bulking, as in a caloric surplus, he will gain fat whether he likes it or not. There is no such thing as bulking without fat gain for natties.

OP, IMO you should cut into the 10-12% range then bulk, once you reach 15%bf+ cut again to 10-12 then bulk - keep repeating this until you've achieved a solid base of muscle to start a cycle..

 

[China_Wall]

China I respect that your a knowledgeable member of this board.

However, that point of view is factually incorrect for a natty like the OP.
The fact is if he decides to keep bulking, as in a caloric surplus, he will gain fat whether he likes it or not. There is no such thing as bulking without fat gain for natties.

OP, IMO you should cut into the 10-12% range then bulk, once you reach 15%bf+ cut again to 10-12 then bulk - keep repeating this until you've achieved a solid base of muscle to start a cycle..

no offense taken bro... I think the OP is just worried about becoming a "fat" guy... by eating clean and training hard he will gain a few bad pounds, but the amount of good pounds will far out weigh the negative... just trying to get on that path you laid out, but a more simplified approach

 

[Teutonic]

"I want to try and be as big if not bigger then jay cutler."

THAT is a bold statement. You realize your like 100 pounds of MEAT SHORT OF THIS GOAL....and honestly son...how r u going to be paying for this lifestyle.....

Are you independent..I mean financially..not politically ..do u live at home...or work and pay bills...unless you work a 25 hour a week job for like 95 an hour I do not see how this will work...

With my look I been considering doing porn as I become feebler with each passing decade...to augment my pursuit of being an academic anabolic all around asshole armed and all about anarchy.

 

[Uso]

Props to OP for taking the advice given!

 

[meyers462]

no offense taken bro... I think the OP is just worried about becoming a "fat" guy... by eating clean and training hard he will gain a few bad pounds, but the amount of good pounds will far out weigh the negative... just trying to get on that path you laid out, but a more simplified approach

I am afraid of getting fat. But here is some pics, everyone I know say I look 185 but I'm only 170

 

[xplicid]

I am afraid of getting fat. But here is some pics, everyone I know say I look 185 but I'm only 170

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Soooooooo much natty gains left bro. You need to cut bf regardless of what u do. Best advice anyone can give you is train hard and heavy, carb cycle while cutting
and be consistent

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

You've got a long way to go as a natty dude - we"re talking at least 2/3 years more training.
I also think you look more than 15%bf, closer to the 20% range unflexed.

Again IMO, I would cut for a while before bulking - otherwise your going to look obese pretty soon.