First Cycle: LGD to Bulk, GW50 to Cut

[iamthegov]

Been training seriously for about two years now. Currently 5'11" around 170 lbs with >10% BF. I did my first lean bulk over the winter and put on about 9-10 pounds and it looks like 5-6 of that was lean muscle tissue based on my current cut. Looking to get some better results for my next lean bulk but I want to time this out right. My strategy is to lean bulk from Aug 2016 to March 2017. Than, start the cutting process for a few months so I'm ready to go in June of 2017.

My plan is to lean bulk with LGD (or a diff SARM if one is better for what I am trying to do).
Weeks 1-3: 5mg per day
Weeky 4-7: 10mg per day
Week 8: 5 mg per day
Week 9-12: Some kind of PCT

From what I've read, GW 50 helps prevent going too cataboloic on muscle tissue while cutting and increases endurance. Thinking I would do an 8 week cycle at 10mg per day with the GW 50.

Questions:

1. I'm going to be bulking for 7-8 months. Two of those months will be with LGD. When should I time the LGD cycle? Beginning, middle, or end of the bulk?

2. Based on my research, it doesn't look like an OTC PCT product is going to cut it. So I'm going to have to get a script for Nolva somehow. Thinking 20mg/day for four weeks.

Any other advice would be appreciated. Again, I'm already in good shape - just want to get bigger and stay lean. I'm thinking this will allow me to put on another 8-10 lbs of lean muscle tissue. I just wish I didn't have to do the script for PCT that almost kills the deal...

 

[Milton]

Welcome to the site!

 

[Cglhut]

RUI is a sponsor here and has quality Nolva and Clomid, no need for a script.

 

[francosiciliano]

LGD has been shown to suppress natural test production starting at 1mg per day. Definitely get pre blood work done mid cycle and post cycle blood work. You may want to use something like test cyponate at a low dose like 300mg per week while your natural test is being suppressed. Also use hcg 500mg per week to keep your testes functioning while on cycle. definitely do full pct clomid 100/40/40/40 and nolva 40/20/20/20 together for 4weeks when your cycle is done.

 

[iamthegov]

Wow. Didn't think it'd be that suppressive. Are their any SARMS that aren't as suppressive but still anabolic?

 

[cybrsage]

Wow. Didn't think it'd be that suppressive. Are their any SARMS that aren't as suppressive but still anabolic?

Ostarine and S4 are both anabolic (Osta being more anabolic) and both are only slightly suppressive.

 

[francosiciliano]

good luck

 

[jermkeith]

Been training seriously for about two years now. Currently 5'11" around 170 lbs with >10% BF. I did my first lean bulk over the winter and put on about 9-10 pounds and it looks like 5-6 of that was lean muscle tissue based on my current cut. Looking to get some better results for my next lean bulk but I want to time this out right. My strategy is to lean bulk from Aug 2016 to March 2017. Than, start the cutting process for a few months so I'm ready to go in June of 2017.

My plan is to lean bulk with LGD (or a diff SARM if one is better for what I am trying to do).
Weeks 1-3: 5mg per day
Weeky 4-7: 10mg per day
Week 8: 5 mg per day
Week 9-12: Some kind of PCT

From what I've read, GW 50 helps prevent going too cataboloic on muscle tissue while cutting and increases endurance. Thinking I would do an 8 week cycle at 10mg per day with the GW 50.

Questions:

1. I'm going to be bulking for 7-8 months. Two of those months will be with LGD. When should I time the LGD cycle? Beginning, middle, or end of the bulk?

2. Based on my research, it doesn't look like an OTC PCT product is going to cut it. So I'm going to have to get a script for Nolva somehow. Thinking 20mg/day for four weeks.

Any other advice would be appreciated. Again, I'm already in good shape - just want to get bigger and stay lean. I'm thinking this will allow me to put on another 8-10 lbs of lean muscle tissue. I just wish I didn't have to do the script for PCT that almost kills the deal...

I'm about to run a
LGD(5-10mg) x GW50 (20mg) x S4(50mg) for an 8week cycle, ed, and I'll also be running MK677 @ 20mg ed 1-12weeks through the duration of 4week PCT . Hear a lot of people using osta during week8-12 PCT but it being suppressive, I feel inclined to leave it out completely.

Liquid clomid and liquid nolva would be your best bet. No script. And not a deal breaker

 

[cybrsage]

Definitely do not run anything suppressive during PCT. GW50, AICAR, MK677, HGH, IGF, etc, are all ok since they are non-suppressive. For PCT, I would do:

For all sarms but LGD, I would do Clomid 50/50/50/50 and Nolva 20/20/10/10, wait 2 weeks and get a blood test to see if you returned to normal. If not, do another month of PCT, wait 2 weeks, and get a blood test again.
For LGD, I would do Clomid 50/50/50/50/50/50 and Nolva 20/20/10/10/10/10 - two more extra weeks, just to be sure. Then follow the above procedure.

 

[iamthegov]

Definitely do not run anything suppressive during PCT. GW50, AICAR, MK677, HGH, IGF, etc, are all ok since they are non-suppressive. For PCT, I would do:

For all sarms but LGD, I would do Clomid 50/50/50/50 and Nolva 20/20/10/10, wait 2 weeks and get a blood test to see if you returned to normal. If not, do another month of PCT, wait 2 weeks, and get a blood test again.
For LGD, I would do Clomid 50/50/50/50/50/50 and Nolva 20/20/10/10/10/10 - two more extra weeks, just to be sure. Then follow the above procedure.

The purpose of getting the blood test is to check for testosterone levels....right? What should I look for in the test to make sure things are "right?"

Thanks for the response!

 

[cybrsage]

The purpose of getting the blood test is to check for testosterone levels....right? What should I look for in the test to make sure things are "right?"

Thanks for the response!

You should get a test to start so you know what normal is when you try to return to it. Then the same test to see if you have returned to normal. You can go to Buy Lab Tests Online | Private MD Labs and buy the Hormone Panel for Females. Make sure to sign up for their newsletter since they send you a 15% off code. The Hormone Panel for Females will cost you around $57 after the discount. You will get your Testosterone Level, FSH, LH, and Estrogen levels, as well as the normal blood tests such as CBC, liver functions, etc. A great way to both find your baseline (normal) level and to make sure you are healthy or not.