First Cycle Questions!

[magatl]

So my first cycle is going to be a pretty basic one.
12 week cycle of:
40mg/day Dbol (first 4 weeks)
500mL/wk Test E (500 throughout, with adjustments if necessary)
I have seen conflicting reports on when to take your post cycle therapy (pct) (one suggestion included exact days to start taking clomid), and which type of post cycle therapy (pct) to use...
Can I get some tailored advice?
Also, can I stack creatine/no xplode? I want as much size in the first run as possible, but I know that orals+creatine can be a hard load...is dbol an exception???
Any lucky biceps exercises to maximize growth? Lol

 

[smalsh]

Good base cycle. Don't worry about those OTC supp, waste of money while on gear. A great diet will be far more effective. As for post cycle therapy (pct) I stick to just Nolva at 40/30/20/20 starting 2 weeks after your last pin of Test E. I also run HCG at 250 iu 2x per week from week 3-post cycle therapy (pct) to keep the boys jumping and making post cycle therapy (pct) easier. All JMO tho.

 

[magatl]

Good base cycle. Don't worry about those OTC supp, waste of money while on gear. A great diet will be far more effective. As for post cycle therapy (pct) I stick to just Nolva at 40/30/20/20 starting 2 weeks after your last pin of Test E. I also run HCG at 250 iu 2x per week from week 3-post cycle therapy (pct) to keep the boys jumping and making post cycle therapy (pct) easier. All JMO tho.

Thanks so much for your response. I'm noting everything. Just curious, though--you don't take *any* supplements whatsoever when on gear? (Aside from multi/whey?)

 

[smalsh]

I don't. Pretty sure most don't either. You're going to have the biggest hardest pumps of your life. It won't be from a no2 supp or preworkout supp. Also I always have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Arimidex ran at .25 to .5mg EOD usually will do the trick to prevent Gyno. With your Dbol I like to take 20 in the morning and 20 preworkout. It'll make you swell plenty during workout. Add some milk thistle to help your liver.
JMO

 

[Kolossus]

Thanks so much for your response. I'm noting everything. Just curious, though--you don't take *any* supplements whatsoever when on gear? (Aside from multi/whey?)

yeah... stay away from any "energy" supplements like Noxplode. The best supplement you can add is food, and a lot of it. Eat a lot of chicken, tuna, legumes and leafy greens. Add some whey protein (low carb), blended protein (casein, egg, whey) and some BCAA's.

 

[darkside06]

Don't worry about creatne, it won't do shit comapred to the gear.

if all you're going is SERMS (clomid) for you post cycle therapy (pct) then start 14 days after last pin. keep it at 50/50/50/50. I would also take nolva with it at 40/40/20/20.

If you're taking HCG as well for post cycle therapy (pct) start that 14 days after last pin for a week and then start your SERMs

 

[Gavin62]

Quick question guys, why do a lot of people suggest taking post cycle therapy (pct) 14 days after your last pin? Why not the day after? Also if you have access to nolva or clomid. Are they're any over the counter alternatives?

 

[Gavin62]

* don't have access

Thanks guys for the feedback

 

[Spear]

* don't have access

Thanks guys for the feedback

Gavin, there are MANY people who sell Nolva (tamoxifin citrate) and clomid. Even sponsors from this board sell it. It's VERY VERY easy to get your hands on.

People suggest two weeks after because that is when the synthetic test will be out of your system.

 

[Gavin62]

Thanks Spear!

Also for a tren/prop cycle do you advice novla or clomid or both?

 

[Caparison336]

I'm on my 3rd week of Test e (500mg/w) and dbol (50mg on workout days) and I'm still using pre-workout supplements, mainly because i work long days at a physical job and need the extra kick to push myself to get to the gym. It doesn't affect anything other than giving you a bit more energy. Dbol will give you monstrous pumps after the first 5 days or so but make sure you take some Arimidex to fight the bloating because it creeps up on you and can make things pretty uncomfortable.

 

[magatl]

I'm on my 3rd week of Test e (500mg/w) and dbol (50mg on workout days) and I'm still using pre-workout supplements, mainly because i work long days at a physical job and need the extra kick to push myself to get to the gym. It doesn't affect anything other than giving you a bit more energy. Dbol will give you monstrous pumps after the first 5 days or so but make sure you take some Arimidex to fight the bloating because it creeps up on you and can make things pretty uncomfortable.

This pct business is witchcraft. Each new poster goes "I'd also add ________". Totally waiting for someone to suggest newts tail and chickentongue...

 

[foodandliquor]

Quick question guys, why do a lot of people suggest taking post cycle therapy (pct) 14 days after your last pin? Why not the day after? Also if you have access to nolva or clomid. Are they're any over the counter alternatives?

Taken from another thread:
You don’t want to start your post cycle therapy (pct) while you still have supra-physiological levels of AAS in your system. What is a non-supra-physiological level? To keep it simple, it is the point where there is less than 200 mg of an active AAS in your system. That is not a perfect estimate but it will work for most people. By taking the time to do this math, you will greatly improve your chance at recover. So, account for the dosage and drug(s) used in planning your post cycle therapy (pct)

For long esters (cyp/ent/deconate) estimate 7 days half life

If you ran 1000 mg of test cyp/ent a week then plan to start the HCG blast between 17-21 days after your last shot.

How did I get that? Simple…using the 7 day half life estimate.

@ 1000mg a week of test cyp/ent 7 days after your last shot there is 500 mg active in the blood. 14 days after the last shot, there is 250 mg active in the blood, at 21 days after the last shot, there is 125 mg active in the blood.

It doesn’t matter what the drug is it only matters what ester is attached to it. So, make sure you do the homework and look up the half life for your drugs and figure out how long it will take you to approximate “normal blood levels.”

 

[magatl]

Day 6 on Dbol, and I honestly don't feel or see a difference yet. The one thing I can say is that my back is tremendously uncomfortable 24/7. I feel like I need to crack it, but can't. Wasted eighty bucks on a massage to try and get the pain out, to no avail. Anyone have experience with this??

 

[Jack Tors]

i dunno what u taking but it isnt dbol. day 6 nothing?!?
creatine is fine watch bp w no-explode

 

[magatl]

It's PG PureDbol 10
I'm taking 4 a day (40mg). I have been expecting back pumps, but this is pretty much constant. I haven't even hit back too hard because of it, TBH. Did some deadlift yesterday and I felt like I was going to herniate a disk.

 

[crazyfmike]

Don't worry about creatne, it won't do shit comapred to the gear.

if all you're going is SERMS (clomid) for you post cycle therapy (pct) then start 14 days after last pin. keep it at 50/50/50/50. I would also take nolva with it at 40/40/20/20.

If you're taking Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as well for post cycle therapy (pct) start that 14 days after last pin for a week and then start your SERMs

In fact creatine while ON cycle can cause you blood volume issues which is the last thing you want is kidney damage!!

 

[magatl]

Yeah, I definitely haven't been taking creatine since starting.