First Cycle Test400/Tbol 60mg per week (does it need tweeking?) About to Start.

[Vexy]

Right guys the time has finally come for my first cycle i have done alot of research and have come to terms what i think i need from the tonnes of information and conflicting information i have read.

stats -
Age 23
Height 5.8ft
Weight 180lbs
2 Years training

Cycle -
Weeks 1/6 Tbol 60mg ED
Weeks 1/10 - Test enanthate 200mg/Decanonate 200mg Blend (pinning half ml twice per week)

PCT -
Weeks 1/10 - HCG 250UI pinned twice a week throughout (500UI a week)
Arimidex - I have it on hand but i see alot of conflicting information on this so i'm going to ask a question, SHOULD I TAKE IT WITH THE HCG FROM THE START? or only use it if i need?

2 Weeks Post cycle PCT -
Nolva 20/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50

May i add after i am 100% and feel i'm ready to go i will document everything that happens and how it goes in the post. (I plan on starting next week) Thanks for any feedback guys if you do have anything to say please back it up with WHY, i will really appreciate it.

 

[turtletony]

looks good. I just started my test E cycle this week (600mg weekly) Im taking the arimdex .5mg e3.5d thru the whole cycle until pct to help keep sides to a minimum. trying to find some hcg to and will start that in week 4 probably.

 

[beachlean]

I would drag the test out more for your first cycle. Test E takes weeks to really kick in and aiming for 15 weeks would really help maximize gains on your first cycle. HCG will help protect your boys during your cycle if you choose to go that route. My first Cycle was just Test and I recovered with no issues.... But again the HCG will keep your testes hanging and not sucked up on you like glass marbles.

 

[Vexy]

I would drag the test out more for your first cycle. Test E takes weeks to really kick in and aiming for 15 weeks would really help maximize gains on your first cycle. HCG will help protect your boys during your cycle if you choose to go that route. My first Cycle was just Test and I recovered with no issues.... But again the HCG will keep your testes hanging and not sucked up on you like glass marbles.

I have 2 vials of test so if the decision is made i could do longer, my base was 10 weeks just because i didn't want to break into the second vial but i will do a little research on a longer Cycle, When ive read up on Beginner cycle posts written by knowledgeable people most say 10-12 weeks for a first cycle so i just thought 10 weeks will do.

If anyone else can confirm that doing a 15 week cycle will cause no more implications than a 10 week and i would only see positives from it that would be great

Thanks though buddy

 

[beachlean]

Cycle -
Weeks 1/6 Tbol 60mg ED
Weeks 1/10 - Test enanthate 200mg/Decanonate 200mg Blend (pinning half ml twice per week)

Test/deca blend 200/200 per 1 ml? if so you are only talking about 200mg per week of test and that is extremely low. When i first replied i was thinking 200mg each 2x per week. I know you want other more experienced opinions and I don't blame you but 200mg test is very low for any cycle.

 

[Vexy]

Cycle -
Weeks 1/6 Tbol 60mg ED
Weeks 1/10 - Test enanthate 200mg/Decanonate 200mg Blend (pinning half ml twice per week)

Test/deca blend 200/200 per 1 ml? if so you are only talking about 200mg per week of test and that is extremely low. When i first replied i was thinking 200mg each 2x per week. I know you want other more experienced opinions and I don't blame you but 200mg test is very low for any cycle.

The decanonate is Testosterone decanonate so it's a test ester, will be 400mg of test a week not 200mg so pinning 1ml a week will be 400mg of test, you get me?

 

[beachlean]

The decanonate is Testosterone decanonate so it's a test ester, will be 400mg of test a week not 200mg so pinning 1ml a week will be 400mg of test, you get me?

Got you, bad reading on my part there. Best of luck moving forward with your first cycle. Post your log/results as you go.

 

[jozifp103]

first cycle should be TEST ONLY. run it 500mg/wk for 12 weeks. drop the tbol you dont need it on your first cycle. plus if you get side effects you wont know which drug its from.

 

[Lex Lundin]

Your PCT is ridiculous and not necessary by any standards...
Use clomid 50/50/50/50 two weeks after your last injection.

I don't like T-Bol.. I don't need a reason, I just don't like it... it's one of the most faked orals around.
It's probly D-boil so just get that and use it....

I see everyone is out here on the crying game over an oral in this cycle.. Most of you are hypocrites.

50mg of Dbol/day for 4-5 weeks is sweet. It depends on how much you got. I take the bottle til it's gone. And that's a big bottle....

600mg of test/week for 12 weeks buddy... never mind this 10 week shit ! 10 weeks are for shit asses who are afraid ! If you are going to man up then be a man. Don't quit the fight 2 weeks early !

There are always chances of estro rebound, and for that you will need to have "On Hand" an AI and DA...
I recomend Aromasin and Prami or Dostinex... There is nothing wrong with you taking it anyhow, but we don't you taking shit for no reason.
Have it on hand and that's where it stays till/if you need it...

Enjoy your cycle and consult a dietitian for the absolute best results from your cycle....

 

[Lex Lundin]

Excuse me for not reading...
You have 2 vials of test ?????????
You have been training for 2 years ?????
I think you are a liar !!!

I didn't read this thread and I'm aside myself... You are going to hang yourself with sides on this cycle...

Sorry guys... My first post is correct for a first cycle, and I stand by it... This guy is a joker and not worth anyone's time.

Sorry again... I will never reply to a thread like this again without reading everything !

 

[Vexy]

Excuse me for not reading...
You have 2 vials of test ?????????
You have been training for 2 years ?????
I think you are a liar !!!

I didn't read this thread and I'm aside myself... You are going to hang yourself with sides on this cycle...

Sorry guys... My first post is correct for a first cycle, and I stand by it... This guy is a joker and not worth anyone's time.

Sorry again... I will never reply to a thread like this again without reading everything !

i don't see what you mean by how i'm a liar? Yes i have 2 10ml Vials of test? and yes i've been training for 2 years lol?? i was going to save the other vial for another 10 week cycle didn't want to break into it and have a few ml left over that i was going to waste. but i am going to do longer than 10 weeks now anyway as i've asked around for opinions.

Now secondly when i read the sticky's and stuff on sites like this which people have made for everyone to see and learn from they say take all this PCT do it properly be safe ETC.. but when i speak to people not so knowledgable like people in the gym they will just say, *take HCG and clomid* or something similar and i got to ask the question which one am i going to believe because furthermore i've had a good read up on all the compounds i'm taking and i see why they should be taken.. i'd rather put the money in and be safer than without taking them.

Furthermore i recon i will make some good gains off 400mg of test, it's my first cycle (golden cycle). and as for the Tbol i've seen others use it (same brand) and its definitely Tbol not Dbol. If it's shit and doesn't do much for me, hey ho.. trial and error won't use it again.

Sorry for such a long message, there is so much controversy with steroids and what to do and so many people have different opinions it's hard to settle on something your dead certain with and there's always questions to be asked.

 

[bigben66]

I would personally hit 2 x 250mg (500mg p/w) of the Test for 12 weeks - keep the rest of your bottle in the fridge for your next cycle.

I'd also drop the T'bol for this cycle and use it on your next cycle as a progressive addition for a good 2nd cycle.
The above poster (Jozif) is right... if you do happen to get sides, you won't know if it's the Test or T'bol... whereas if you run Test only on your 1st cycle without sides, you know on your next cycle you can tolerate it.

You are only 23, with potentially a lot of cycles ahead of you (if you do things sensibly), there's no rush bro - trust me, you'll get great gains on the Test alone.

 

[Vexy]

I would personally hit 2 x 250mg (500mg p/w) of the Test for 12 weeks - keep the rest of your bottle in the fridge for your next cycle.

I'd also drop the T'bol for this cycle and use it on your next cycle as a progressive addition for a good 2nd cycle.
The above poster (Jozif) is right... if you do happen to get sides, you won't know if it's the Test or T'bol... whereas if you run Test only on your 1st cycle without sides, you know on your next cycle you can tolerate it.

You are only 23, with potentially a lot of cycles ahead of you (if you do things sensibly), there's no rush bro - trust me, you'll get great gains on the Test alone.

Thanks alot buddy i'll take this on board

 

[Kurdish Pitbull]

I have 2 vials of test so if the decision is made i could do longer, my base was 10 weeks just because i didn't want to break into the second vial but i will do a little research on a longer Cycle, When ive read up on Beginner cycle posts written by knowledgeable people most say 10-12 weeks for a first cycle so i just thought 10 weeks will do.

If anyone else can confirm that doing a 15 week cycle will cause no more implications than a 10 week and i would only see positives from it that would be great

Thanks though buddy

Depends on the ester. 10 weeks is fine if your running a shorter ester but on the Test E you want to go with 12 because of the extra time it takes to kick it.