First Cycle - Would like a critique please

[z1ggy16]

I've done a decent amount of research but I was hoping to get some input from you guys. I know there's tons of other threads that probably look just like this one, but getting some personal feedback would really help me.

Age: 27 years old, male, ~193lb, ~16% body fat

Training: Been in the gym since I was about 14, but really have only been truly consistent over the past 2.5 years or so.

Diet: Currently bulking after my last cut. I am eating ~3100 cals every day. About 180g protein, 80-100g fat, then remainder of left over calories as carbs. If I have a hockey game or other sport activity, I eat an extra 500-600 calories.

Lifts: Currently on a med to higher volume routine, 3x per week. Monday is chest & tri, (abs and stretch tues and thurs), Weds is Back & bi, and Friday is legs & shoulders. I generally do about 12-15 working sets per muscle group.

Planned Cycle: Test E only, 500mg per week, split into 2 pins, 250mg each on Monday and Thursday. Probably looking to do a 12 week cycle, then wait 2 weeks, then start PCT. Cycle will be as follows:

Weeks 1-12: 500mg Test E, 500iu of HCG, .25mg Adex EOD starting week 2
Weeks 13-15: 500 iu of HCG, Adex as needed?
Weeks 16-19: Clomid 50/50/50/50 & Nolva 40/40/20/20

Other: 2x3cc syringe, 25 18-23g needles for pulling liquid, and 25x 25g needle for pins.

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Thanks for reading. Please let me know where I am missing things or could use tweaking. I plan on getting blood work done soon as well so I can have a base starting point for that as well.

Edit: Fixed a few things based on user input. Thanks a ton you guys.

 

[ADenver]

Mix HCG and Test in same syringe for your twice weekly dosage. How tall are you?

 

[z1ggy16]

Mix HCG and Test in same syringe for your twice weekly dosage. How tall are you?

Okay.

5' 10, I forget the word for the body type... But I'm basically the opposite of the "skinny hard gainer" body type.

Additionally... I did just read the "cycling for beginner" sticky. There's a few minor differences between that and the cycle I was about to do. If that's the accepted and most up to date first cycle, I can literally just copy that.

 

[Catbug159]

Run the HCG at 500iu weekly, use 2 shots (250iu's and 250iu's). Use the insulin needles for those guys, you can construct the hcg and store the remaining in the freezer so it doesn't go bad. I believe I started my AI on the second week, not the first. Wait an additional week to run your pct, so 3 weeks and not 2. Starting Clomid at 100 seems aggressive, 50 @ 4 weeks should be fine. Also rotate your injection sites even if you feel fine. They'll get sore 4-5 weeks in if you only pin in two places. I know you mentioned blood work but be sure to get pre, mid, and post, seems like a lot of people skip out or for mid they'll get the same test as pre. It won't really tell you how good your gear is, it's worth the extra $25. If you stick around you'll make friends and find sources, this site is very knowledgeable.

 

[z1ggy16]

Run the HCG at 500iu weekly, use 2 shots (250iu's and 250iu's). Use the insulin needles for those guys, you can construct the hcg and store the remaining in the freezer so it doesn't go bad. I believe I started my AI on the second week, not the first. Wait an additional week to run your pct, so 3 weeks and not 2. Starting Clomid at 100 seems aggressive, 50 @ 4 weeks should be fine. Also rotate your injection sites even if you feel fine. They'll get sore 4-5 weeks in if you only pin in two places. I know you mentioned blood work but be sure to get pre, mid, and post, seems like a lot of people skip out or for mid they'll get the same test as pre. It won't really tell you how good your gear is, it's worth the extra $25. If you stick around you'll make friends and find sources, this site is very knowledgeable.

Thanks for that, I will be sure to do it. Is their a guide within this forum on how to mix the HCG and Test? I watched a youtube guide on how to properly draw the fluid & pin, but nothing on mixing.

Is there anybody here that can fill me on on those details, sooner, rather than later? I'm looking to start no later than Dec 1, so I can finish my bulk by March 1, and start my 12 week cut and finish that by June 1.

 

[bigben66]

Personally I take my Test and HCG separately.

I pin Test IM and HCG SubQ.

I just find it easier this way, but everyone has their own methods.

 

[Teutonic]

I m with BB; I personally don t mix water based and oil based compounds...but that s me, him and most other guys.

 

[z1ggy16]

Guys, another quick question: during the weeks between last pin and pct, could I run winstrol to help lean out and harden up? Would three weeks be enough?

Seems like sides with winny could be harsh though. Anavar seems like a popular choice to stack, too. I will keep doing more research

Adfitionally, is it ok to eat at maint. Cals during pct as I won't really be bulking like I would be on cycle?

 

[3J]

do not use winny.. its horrible for you..

now im a bit concerned about your diet.. what are your goals with this cycle??

180g protein is not enough honestly

 

[z1ggy16]

do not use winny.. its horrible for you..

now im a bit concerned about your diet.. what are your goals with this cycle??

180g protein is not enough honestly

Goal is adding lean mass. I want to minimize bloat and fat gains because im not currently at a low body fat. Im probably around 16 to 17 percent if I.could guess. I need to get calipered soon.

I respect your opinion. May you elaborate? Most studies I've read say 1g/lb of lbm is adequate. On cycle should that be upped? I was going to reduce carbs after cycle to get rid of bloat that I'd gain.

Can you comment on using anavar?

 

[bigben66]

Cycle will be as follows:

Weeks 1-12: 500mg Test E, 500iu of HCG, .25mg Adex EOD starting week 2
Weeks 13-15: 500 iu of HCG, Adex as needed?
Weeks 16-19: Clomid 50/50/50/50 & Nolva 40/40/20/20

Anavar? Am I missing something? You never mentioned anything about Anavar!

And yes, I'd shoot for 1.5g of protein per lb of bodyweight.

 

[3J]

Goal is adding lean mass. I want to minimize bloat and fat gains because im not currently at a low body fat. Im probably around 16 to 17 percent if I.could guess. I need to get calipered soon.

I respect your opinion. May you elaborate? Most studies I've read say 1g/lb of lbm is adequate. On cycle should that be upped? I was going to reduce carbs after cycle to get rid of bloat that I'd gain.

Can you comment on using anavar?

i only do this for a living... lol

can you give me exact macros for your diet??

 

[3J]

the fact that youre only eating 3100 calories on this cycle is a red flag in itself based off your stats...

 

[z1ggy16]

Yeah it's lower right now because I'm not on cycle. I understand you do this for a living, I've seen your client's results pictures, I don't doubt your knowledge.

Macros at this current point in time are the ones from my post up top: 180 protein, 80-100 fat and remainder of calories as carbs. It changes because some days I'll have leaner meats than others.

What would you suggest as a break down given my size while on cycle?

 

[z1ggy16]

Anavar? Am I missing something? You never mentioned anything about Anavar!

And yes, I'd shoot for 1.5g of protein per lb of bodyweight.

I did not originally, but after browsing around here a bit and some other forums, it seems like a product some guys use to stack with test.

 

[3J]

Yeah it's lower right now because I'm not on cycle. I understand you do this for a living, I've seen your client's results pictures, I don't doubt your knowledge.

Macros at this current point in time are the ones from my post up top: 180 protein, 80-100 fat and remainder of calories as carbs. It changes because some days I'll have leaner meats than others.

What would you suggest as a break down given my size while on cycle?

well with the macros that you did give me i calc 370g carbs... and thats just to hit 3100 calories??

i would start at 3500 calories.. with a 2-300 calorie increase every 2 to 3 weeks based on total weight gained weekly

 

[bigben66]

I did not originally, but after browsing around here a bit and some other forums, it seems like a product some guys use to stack with test.

Not on a first cycle mate, stick to Test only, you'll get great results - no need to get greedy!

 

[z1ggy16]

well with the macros that you did give me i calc 370g carbs... and thats just to hit 3100 calories??

i would start at 3500 calories.. with a 2-300 calorie increase every 2 to 3 weeks based on total weight gained weekly

Yup, that seems about right. I have a lsrge amount of rice, potatoes etc with dinner.

Ok I will do this. And how much protein? Based on the advice above, I should be around the 270 to 300g range.

 

[3J]

250 is acceptable imo.. esp when carbs are very high

 

[Milton]

Yup, that seems about right. I have a lsrge amount of rice, potatoes etc with dinner.

Ok I will do this. And how much protein? Based on the advice above, I should be around the 270 to 300g range.

I do believe 3J will give you the perfect advice listen to him..