First Cycle

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So I'm getting ready to start my first real cycle. Since y'all always seem to need to know this information, here it is

24 years old
6'1"
180 lbs
10% bodyfat
Been training hard for about 2 1/2 years

My planned cycle is Test Enantate for 8-10 weeks(400-500 mg a week)
I'm also going to have HCG, and Clomid for the post cycle therapy (pct) portion.

My good buddy, who is a competitive body builder, suggested I take 20-30mg a day of Winstrol in addition to the test. He also seemed to think Winstrol (winny) was an anti-estrogen, which I didn't think was true.

So, I guess my question is, should I get the Winstrol (winny) (or some other kind of gear to stack with the test) or should I stick with just the test. Any other suggestions would be great. Thanks

 

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Additionally, I'm picking up a small amount of Novaldex in case I start developing gyno symptoms. My goal is to gain around 10-12 lbs of muscle that I will be able to keep. I really don't want to gain 20 lbs or anything. My friend mentioned that the Winstrol (winny) would help keep off the water weight. Just thought this info would help in evaluating my questions.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Moved to the appropriate forum.........

 

[tee]

Tell your buddy he needs to join the board and learn something before feeding you a bunch of BS. Winstrol (winny) is not an anti-estrogen, its an anabolic steroid. I would stick to the test cycle you have planned for a first cycle. You obviously know more than your friend does.

 

[Bruce Banner]

Winstrol is NOT a antiestrogen.

I don't know where this missinformation comes from but it seems quite common among people.

I would recomend you to drop the orals for the first time and se how you react on the test only. If your training and diet is right you probably will have the best gains in your life.

Read "Swales" thread about post cycle therapy (pct) and you will be set for the cycle. I doubt that you will need HCG but thats hard to say.

/Bruce

 

[tee]

Winny does not convert to estrogen. Maybe thats what he meant to say. I would still stick with the test only cycle for too many numerous reasons to list. Good luck!

 

[mwwjoker]

Test only... is always good avice for first cycle to see how your body will react to the goods.

 

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Just to let you know, my friend knows that winstrol is an anabolic. He seemed to think that it also worked to block estrogen. He was suggesting I take it help get more cut and b/c it doesn't cause water retention. However, I think I'll follow y'alls suggestions and just stick with the test.
My other questions are: should I do the HCG throughout the cycle? I was reading that doing 500 iu every 4 days is a good idea. If I do that, will I have to use the HCG after the cycle is over. Additionally, will the clomid be strong enough as an anti-estrogen or do I need to get the Novaldex just to be safe?
Again, thanks for all your help

 

[StoneColdNTO]

My other questions are: should I do the HCG throughout the cycle? I was reading that doing 500 iu every 4 days is a good idea. If I do that, will I have to use the HCG after the cycle is over. Additionally, will the clomid be strong enough as an anti-estrogen or do I need to get the Novaldex just to be safe?
Again, thanks for all your help

It's a good idea to use HCG throughout the cycle, to prevent atrophy from setting in in the first place.

If you're talking about an anti-e for gyno, get some Nolvadex.
If you're talking about post cycle therapy (pct), the choice is yours between Nolva or Clomid.

 

[Bruce Banner]

Use HCG through the cycle and as long as you have high levels of test in the bloodstream.

If you run enenthate I would recomend you to stop the HCG 1-2 weeks after your last inject of test. Then hit PCT.

/Bruce