First time , usage of Pramipexole

[Hercules_KB]

Hey guys , I never used prami and I read a lot about it and I'm thinking to give it a try. I couldn't found answers for my concerns anyway I wanted to know if I still have to use nolva or anastrozole with prami during my cycle? and is it fine to take prami even if I'm not taking progestins steroids like Deca or Tren ? .

Why ppl need to increase the dosage if for example 0.25mg worked with them ?

I really have a hard time getting a good sleep I get stress out easily and I thought I can use prami for that reason and of course for the other reasons you mentioned. I had little bit lactation from my last cycle and my doctor prescribed Dostinex (cabergoline) 0.5mg twice a week but I had a serious side effect so I stop taking it. I had serious muscle cramps in my legs I couldn't even do a regular cardio session , hell I even couldn't drive a stick without a cramp.

 

[Hypnotix]

Hey guys , I never used prami and I read a lot about it and I'm thinking to give it a try. I couldn't found answers for my concerns anyway I wanted to know if I still have to use nolva or anastrozole with prami during my cycle? and is it fine to take prami even if I'm not taking progestins steroids like Deca or Tren ? .

Why ppl need to increase the dosage if for example 0.25mg worked with them ?

I really have a hard time getting a good sleep I get stress out easily and I thought I can use prami for that reason and of course for the other reasons you mentioned. I had little bit lactation from my last cycle and my doctor prescribed Dostinex (cabergoline) 0.5mg twice a week but I had a serious side effect so I stop taking it. I had serious muscle cramps in my legs I couldn't even do a regular cardio session , hell I even couldn't drive a stick without a cramp.

If you're not using a 19-nor at all.. I would imagine there are much wiser alternatives for better sleep. Here are my thoughts on this matter. Hopefully others will join in as well and add some additional depth.

Creating an exceptional plan of action for your waking and falling time would be my very first endeavor. Dial in a window of time that you will go to sleep every night (no wider than one half hour, 30 minutes) and always keep to it. Sleep for 7-9hrs every night. If you can manage, don't use an alarm to wake everyday. (at first may be okay, but as you fall into schedule try removing it slowly) Ensure your room is dark, the humidity is around 40-50%, the temperature is fairly cold (68-70F) you've ruled out allergens, (dust, mold, pet dander, etc.) and you've eliminated all stimulants for at least 6hrs prior to bed. Sleep on your back or your side. Use pillows to prop the hips or knees up for back sleeping, or between the knees and ankles for side sleeping. If this doesn't help, seek help medically and ask to have a sleep study done. Proceed with their recommendations from there.

If you find on a cycle where you're without 19-nor's but still having prolactin related problems, you've have bloods taken, and are within normal range.. you may just be sensitive to it like me. This would require a more watchful eye over your estradiol and prolactin. Estrogen will agitate prolactin in a way.. It could be a sensitivity to prolactin, but all that may need fixed is estrogen. Seems likely, considering many don't know the importance of managing estrogen, nor how to properly approach such things.

If you're having prolactin issues whilst not cycling, I would have it checked by a doctor first.. It's not exactly normal for a man to do that. Do your best to NOT tell him/her about your AAS use but make sure the problem is resolved before continuing with AAS.

Now, if you are using Tren, or Deca, or any of the sorts then YES, do investigate DA's, and have one ready to roll if prolactin related sides begin to show.

Feel free to continue asking questions if this doesn't seem helpful or you would need finer details. Hope I've helped!

 

[Hercules_KB]

If you're not using a 19-nor at all.. I would imagine there are much wiser alternatives for better sleep. Here are my thoughts on this matter. Hopefully others will join in as well and add some additional depth.

Creating an exceptional plan of action for your waking and falling time would be my very first endeavor. Dial in a window of time that you will go to sleep every night (no wider than one half hour, 30 minutes) and always keep to it. Sleep for 7-9hrs every night. If you can manage, don't use an alarm to wake everyday. (at first may be okay, but as you fall into schedule try removing it slowly) Ensure your room is dark, the humidity is around 40-50%, the temperature is fairly cold (68-70F) you've ruled out allergens, (dust, mold, pet dander, etc.) and you've eliminated all stimulants for at least 6hrs prior to bed. Sleep on your back or your side. Use pillows to prop the hips or knees up for back sleeping, or between the knees and ankles for side sleeping. If this doesn't help, seek help medically and ask to have a sleep study done. Proceed with their recommendations from there.

If you find on a cycle where you're without 19-nor's but still having prolactin related problems, you've have bloods taken, and are within normal range.. you may just be sensitive to it like me. This would require a more watchful eye over your estradiol and prolactin. Estrogen will agitate prolactin in a way.. It could be a sensitivity to prolactin, but all that may need fixed is estrogen. Seems likely, considering many don't know the importance of managing estrogen, nor how to properly approach such things.

If you're having prolactin issues whilst not cycling, I would have it checked by a doctor first.. It's not exactly normal for a man to do that. Do your best to NOT tell him/her about your AAS use but make sure the problem is resolved before continuing with AAS.

Now, if you are using Tren, or Deca, or any of the sorts then YES, do investigate DA's, and have one ready to roll if prolactin related sides begin to show.

Feel free to continue asking questions if this doesn't seem helpful or you would need finer details. Hope I've helped!

that's really helpful thank you. NO I had lactation cuz I was in a cycle I used Tren on my last cycle and I used to take 0.5mg Arimidex eod and after my cycle before starting my PCT I did blood test and found out it's a bit up normal. The cycle that I'm about to start will have Deca on it for almost 8 weeks and then I'll replace it for NPP for several weeks and after that Tren so pretty much I'm using progestins steroids even if I'm not gonna jump into the other component immediately so, should I go with prami in his case or not ?

and since I might be sensitive should I add nolva 10mg/d or Arimidex 0.5mg/eod with it ? any suggestion how to control estrogen ?


Thank God I didn't get any gyno problem but once I feel sensitivity I up Arimidex to 1mg/eod on my last cycle.



for the sleeping problem I did all what you mentioned except the humidity part to be honest with you, I don't take any stimulants at all I tied pre workout several times before even if I took it around 2pm when I go to bed around 10pm I can't go to sleep till 1-2am, I tried ZMA , Melatonin and GABA never worked I feel terrible when I use them.

 

[Hypnotix]

that's really helpful thank you. NO I had lactation cuz I was in a cycle I used Tren on my last cycle and I used to take 0.5mg Arimidex eod and after my cycle before starting my PCT I did blood test and found out it's a bit up normal. The cycle that I'm about to start will have Deca on it for almost 8 weeks and then I'll replace it for NPP for several weeks and after that Tren so pretty much I'm using progestins steroids even if I'm not gonna jump into the other component immediately so, should I go with prami in his case or not ?

and since I might be sensitive should I add nolva 10mg/d or Arimidex 0.5mg/eod with it ? any suggestion how to control estrogen ?


Thank God I didn't get any gyno problem but once I feel sensitivity I up Arimidex to 1mg/eod on my last cycle.



for the sleeping problem I did all what you mentioned except the humidity part to be honest with you, I don't take any stimulants at all I tied pre workout several times before even if I took it around 2pm when I go to bed around 10pm I can't go to sleep till 1-2am, I tried ZMA , Melatonin and GABA never worked I feel terrible when I use them.

I'm not going any further after that cycle layout! We will talk about this first, or not at all.

You're doing Nandrolone Decanoate first.. but only for 8 weeks... Deca = Decanoate which is a longer ester than Enanthate, and Cypionate.

I recommend Deca for no less than 14 weeks, up to 20 weeks, and beyond depending on previous experience with it. Generally you won't see much from it until 7 weeks in, right when you're deciding to pull it out? That's blasphemy!

Then you want to add in Nandrolone Phenyl-Propionate after it?.. I'm spelling these out to you for a reason. Nandrolone is Nandrolone. So why wouldn't you just extend your time with Deca if you wanted to add more Nandrolone? You're using the same drug, just with different esters.. or for this reasoning, different release times (absorption rates, whatever!).

If you thought logically about what you were doing or understood esters to some degree, you'd know it would be better to dose your Nandrolone Decanoate from day one and for 14 wks, BUT, do NPP from day one to "kickstart" the Deca. NOT, waste your Deca for 8 weeks, and use your NPP after that..

Nand. PP weeks 1-6
Nand. Deca weeks 1-14
Tren Ace weeks 7-16
Test E or C weeks 1-16
----------------------------------

It's just.. if you can't put it together right. I don't think you should be doing it yet. Estrogen control won't make Prolactin issues go away for sure.. Since you were doing Tren.. you should have had Prami or Caber on hand to combat those sides. I don't think you should be adding Nolvadex during a cycle either.. Estrogen control is using an AI, getting e2 checked, adjust AI dose accordingly, get e2 checked again to ensure you've normalized it.

I'm going to let someone else get the rest of this one. Bowing out. Too many things I'm not 100% familiar with, and I think someone else could handle this one better with information for you.

 

[Hercules_KB]

I'm not going any further after that cycle layout! We will talk about this first, or not at all.

You're doing Nandrolone Decanoate first.. but only for 8 weeks... Deca = Decanoate which is a longer ester than Enanthate, and Cypionate.

I recommend Deca for no less than 14 weeks, up to 20 weeks, and beyond depending on previous experience with it. Generally you won't see much from it until 7 weeks in, right when you're deciding to pull it out? That's blasphemy!

Then you want to add in Nandrolone Phenyl-Propionate after it?.. I'm spelling these out to you for a reason. Nandrolone is Nandrolone. So why wouldn't you just extend your time with Deca if you wanted to add more Nandrolone? You're using the same drug, just with different esters.. or for this reasoning, different release times (absorption rates, whatever!).

If you thought logically about what you were doing or understood esters to some degree, you'd know it would be better to dose your Nandrolone Decanoate from day one and for 14 wks, BUT, do NPP from day one to "kickstart" the Deca. NOT, waste your Deca for 8 weeks, and use your NPP after that..

Nand. PP weeks 1-6
Nand. Deca weeks 1-14
Tren Ace weeks 7-16
Test E or C weeks 1-16
----------------------------------

It's just.. if you can't put it together right. I don't think you should be doing it yet. Estrogen control won't make Prolactin issues go away for sure.. Since you were doing Tren.. you should have had Prami or Caber on hand to combat those sides. I don't think you should be adding Nolvadex during a cycle either.. Estrogen control is using an AI, getting e2 checked, adjust AI dose accordingly, get e2 checked again to ensure you've normalized it.

I'm going to let someone else get the rest of this one. Bowing out. Too many things I'm not 100% familiar with, and I think someone else could handle this one better with information for you.

I'm switching from Deca to Npp exactly cuz of the different esters I don't want it in my system for that long , I know it seems weird and seems like I'm not gonna get that much of result from it but switching compounds is what I'm aiming for in this cycle , shocking my body, I know several ppl did something close to that and got wonderful result. I tried Deca before for 12-14weeks I didn't like it that much and I had Deca di** while some other ppl never got that when they run it .

I really appreciate it man

 

[Hypnotix]

I'm switching from Deca to Npp exactly cuz of the different esters I don't want it in my system for that long , I know it seems weird and seems like I'm not gonna get that much of result from it but switching compounds is what I'm aiming for in this cycle , shocking my body, I know several ppl did something close to that and got wonderful result. I tried Deca before for 12-14weeks I didn't like it that much and I had Deca di** while some other ppl never got that when they run it .

I really appreciate it man

Shocking the body is bro science bull shit, and if you got Deca dick it's because you weren't using a dopamine agonist. You don't think you'll get it when you continue using Nandrolone only with a different ester? It's the same drug!!!! Then you'll add Tren.. and that's going to give you the same fucking issues too.. same class of drug.

Wake up.

 

[Hercules_KB]

Shocking the body is bro science bull shit, and if you got Deca dick it's because you weren't using a dopamine agonist. You don't think you'll get it when you continue using Nandrolone only with a different ester? It's the same drug!!!! Then you'll add Tren.. and that's going to give you the same fucking issues too.. same class of drug.

Wake up.

you are right it might be a bull shit but I'm willing to give it a try , it worked with a lot of ppl tho. About the Deca dick what I'm trying to say is that some ppl didn't got it even without using a dopamine agonist so it affect me so bad that's why this time I wanna add prami , and some ppl told me to add nolva or Arimidex to be in a very safe side, but I'm still looking around to make sure nothing gonna reflect negatively with prami since I never used it before.

 

[Milton]

How are you doing with this so far?

 

[Hercules_KB]

How are you doing with this so far?

Didn't start yet I'll keep you update if you want

 

[Teutonic]

....makes me hornier.....nothing helps me sleep though unless it s post orgasmic bliss....sleep though integral is fleeting to me both due to genetics ( my mom, her sisters my Oma..all lil or no sleep), age ( I hear) and my whole career was based on getting by w lil to no sleep for up to several weeks...sometimes sitting up. Sleep great on planes though ????

I can however lay down and catch 30 ms using a speedbump for a pillow but more than 4 hour s recquires rx assistance....it s overrated anyway....might miss something.

 

[cybrsage]

I have the same issues, Teutonic. I use Prami for my Restless Leg Syndrome.

EDIT: Please do not yell at me for replying to you or use your horrible slang...it will make me cry!
Sorry, I could not resist!

 

[lntense]

If you're wanting to use prami for better sleep, think twice. It has me shuffling and waking up all throughout the night if I take my dose too late.

The only reasons i'll use prami are if my prolactin is high while I'm running tren or deca. And 2nd, if I plan on having a crazy fuck session where I want to get off multiple times and still be rock hard, I'll take like .2mg of it a couple hours before hand.

Prami is a weird drug, start super low and slowly work your way up or you will be sick for hours.

 

[Hercules_KB]

If you're wanting to use prami for better sleep, think twice. It has me shuffling and waking up all throughout the night if I take my dose too late.

The only reasons i'll use prami are if my prolactin is high while I'm running tren or deca. And 2nd, if I plan on having a crazy fuck session where I want to get off multiple times and still be rock hard, I'll take like .2mg of it a couple hours before hand.

Prami is a weird drug, start super low and slowly work your way up or you will be sick for hours.

why I have to increase the dosage? I'm taking it for precaution as well beside the sleeping problem and I'm gonna start with 0.2mg or even less

 

[halfwit]

why I have to increase the dosage? I'm taking it for precaution as well beside the sleeping problem and I'm gonna start with 0.2mg or even less

Dopamine agonists are habit forming, tread lightly when trying to prevent something carries with it risks greater than the original problem.

Hypnotix gave AMAZING advice, and I suspect you may be dealing with either a prolactin issue that should be investigated through blood work, or it's something completely outside the realm of AAS/hormones.

Have you had a sleep study? Sleep apnea isn't something you may even notice; you just know you're always tired, and no matter how early you go to bed or sleep in, you're still fatigued. Now that I've been on a CPAP for a couple years, I can totally tell when I stop breathing if I'm not wearing it. Sometimes I'll try to get an extra nap in after the wife gets up on weekends, and neglect putting the mask back on - never works, but I'm dumb that way in a sleepy stupor.

My point is that you're looking at a bandaid cure that may mask something serious, like a pituitary tumor for example, that you should investigate before things get out of hand. Dopamine agonists are a fantastic tool, but they're not intended for this purpose.

My .02c

 

[Teutonic]

I have the same issues, Teutonic. I use Prami for my Restless Leg Syndrome.

EDIT: Please do not yell at me for replying to you or use your horrible slang...it will make me cry!
Sorry, I could not resist!

All good lol. Sleep s a basic need in mass building I do not posses and having rx addiction affliction only use Nyquil and occasionally some trazadone or a low dose benzo. Fuck it I ll sleep when I m dead.
Hypo---unreal...great post homieeee....and,
HW nailed it shut...go figger.

OP you ve been served...both a 4 course meal of knowledge and pretty much in every other way as well.

( oh no u di int. Yup I did...)

 

[CindBB]

If you're not using a 19-nor at all.. I would imagine there are much wiser alternatives for better sleep. Here are my thoughts on this matter. Hopefully others will join in as well and add some additional depth.

Creating an exceptional plan of action for your waking and falling time would be my very first endeavor. Dial in a window of time that you will go to sleep every night (no wider than one half hour, 30 minutes) and always keep to it. Sleep for 7-9hrs every night. If you can manage, don't use an alarm to wake everyday. (at first may be okay, but as you fall into schedule try removing it slowly) Ensure your room is dark, the humidity is around 40-50%, the temperature is fairly cold (68-70F) you've ruled out allergens, (dust, mold, pet dander, etc.) and you've eliminated all stimulants for at least 6hrs prior to bed. Sleep on your back or your side. Use pillows to prop the hips or knees up for back sleeping, or between the knees and ankles for side sleeping. If this doesn't help, seek help medically and ask to have a sleep study done. Proceed with their recommendations from there.

If you find on a cycle where you're without 19-nor's but still having prolactin related problems, you've have bloods taken, and are within normal range.. you may just be sensitive to it like me. !

How where the sides?

 

[Craneman]

ANYTHING above .2 will make me wake up to puke out my ears and nose. Right up to it helps my libido and sleep on a tren cycle. Man oh man prami sick is the gutter.

 

[Hercules_KB]

Dopamine agonists are habit forming, tread lightly when trying to prevent something carries with it risks greater than the original problem.

Hypnotix gave AMAZING advice, and I suspect you may be dealing with either a prolactin issue that should be investigated through blood work, or it's something completely outside the realm of AAS/hormones.

Have you had a sleep study? Sleep apnea isn't something you may even notice; you just know you're always tired, and no matter how early you go to bed or sleep in, you're still fatigued. Now that I've been on a CPAP for a couple years, I can totally tell when I stop breathing if I'm not wearing it. Sometimes I'll try to get an extra nap in after the wife gets up on weekends, and neglect putting the mask back on - never works, but I'm dumb that way in a sleepy stupor.

My point is that you're looking at a bandaid cure that may mask something serious, like a pituitary tumor for example, that you should investigate before things get out of hand. Dopamine agonists are a fantastic tool, but they're not intended for this purpose.

My .02c

how I can find out if I have Sleep apnea tho I believe ppl who have that snores and I don't. Plus I've lactated cuz I fished a cycle and I didn't took any PCT when I did my blood test anyway now I want to take prami for that reason and to avoid having the same problem after my current cycle.

my blood test was , Prolactin = 25.13 ng/ml Range:4.04-15.2

 

[halfwit]

how I can find out if I have Sleep apnea tho I believe ppl who have that snores and I don't. Plus I've lactated cuz I fished a cycle and I didn't took any PCT when I did my blood test anyway now I want to take prami for that reason and to avoid having the same problem after my current cycle.

my blood test was , Prolactin = 25.13 ng/ml Range:4.04-15.2

A sleep study is how you determine whether or not you have apnea. As my wife is a heavy sleeper and I never noticed it - I didn't think I had apnea either. They tape you, and it's creeeeeeeepy seeing yourself snore, stop breathing, then wake - to fall back to sleep again.

What was your estradiol at? For *most*, a high estradiol can lead to a high prolactin. I would look there first, as it's much better for you health-wise and can help prevent other issues from coming up.

If you have normal estradiol, but elevated prolactin, I'd seek the advice of a physician to rule out pituitary problems (assuming off cycle).

 

[Hercules_KB]

A sleep study is how you determine whether or not you have apnea. As my wife is a heavy sleeper and I never noticed it - I didn't think I had apnea either. They tape you, and it's creeeeeeeepy seeing yourself snore, stop breathing, then wake - to fall back to sleep again.

What was your estradiol at? For *most*, a high estradiol can lead to a high prolactin. I would look there first, as it's much better for you health-wise and can help prevent other issues from coming up.

If you have normal estradiol, but elevated prolactin, I'd seek the advice of a physician to rule out pituitary problems (assuming off cycle).

As I said I was getting treatment but I stopped it cuz I didn't start pct when I did my blood test and the Arimidex that I used during my previous cycle was either fake or 0.5mg eod was not enough so in my new cycle I'll use nolva instead (what I have is defiantly legit) with prami , nolva to prevent estradiol and prami is for that as well as fixing my prolactin if mine didn't fixed it already with the treatment that I took before.