frosted flakes for breakfast?

[brooklynheight]

Mormons don't lie? Then where are the golden tablets? Have you ever read "Under the banner of heaven" by John Krakauer--some Mormons are truly messed up. Eat all the crap you like but things are a lot easier when you keep your diet reasonably clean.

golden tablet are under my bed

 

[Frosty]

Hm....i think i might try the cereal idea. Maybe not frosted flakes, maybe cornflakes, or cheerios, or a whole grain cereal or something. Seems to be working for willet.

There's very little difference between frosted flakes, corn flakes, cheerios, or most cereals. Most of them are pretty much the same thing.

 

[DirkMoneyshot]

I agree that there is nothing wrong with frosted flakes in the morning -Don't overdo it though.

Ectomorph was exactly correct in what he said.

Hell precontest i use Flavored Oatmeal, which is sugar layden. Does it hurt my condition. Nope and to be honest my muscles are a lot fuller for it.

 

[DirkMoneyshot]

That may be true, but why would something with a GI of like 120 be better than something in the 30-50 range? True insulin is very anabolic, but muscles only respond to so much insulin before you start to stimulate fat gain (drug use not included).

Regardless, the ingredients in these cereals are junk. The methods used to process the cereals takes out the nutrient content (then they try to make it look healthy by fortifying it) and destroying the good aspects of the grains. You end up eating essentially sugar with some synthetic vitamins added. Eat some rice or oats if you want cereal for breakfast, IMO.

There is a large difference between Maximizing Performance through nutrition, and eating a "healthy" balanced bodybuilding menu.

In the Long run sticking with unprocessed oats and grains would be beneficial to ones long term health, as its a better choice. It doesn't necessarly equate to maximizing ones ability NOW.

The 2 best times to comsume simple sugars (Postworkout - and Breakfast). Less likely to store bodyfat during this time as muscle glycogen is low. So get some nutrients in there fast and prevent catabolism.

 

[DirkMoneyshot]

I'll also state that i don't believe half the crap Jeff Willet puts up on that website.

Common sense would tell you he's promoting a AST and he'll do his best to make it look like he uses everything they have under the sun.

Not to mention i think its the worst thing any beginner could look at.

1.) He over complicates everything by eating a dozen times / day. (Although trying to maximize his gains)
2.) 3/4 of his protein comes from powders.

Two of the biggest mistakes every beginner needs to avoid, Overcomplication and not enough whole foods.

 

[ectomorph]

I'll also state that i don't believe half the crap Jeff Willet puts up on that website.

Common sense would tell you he's promoting a AST and he'll do his best to make it look like he uses everything they have under the sun.

Not to mention i think its the worst thing any beginner could look at.

1.) He over complicates everything by eating a dozen times / day. (Although trying to maximize his gains)
2.) 3/4 of his protein comes from powders.

Two of the biggest mistakes every beginner needs to avoid, Overcomplication and not enough whole foods.

Amen. Sponsored athletes are obligated to be supplement commercials to the general public. You can't base your program on an advertisement.

 

[SemperFi 0321]

You can't base your program on an advertisement.

But can you imagine how many do though! How many countless dollars are spent on these products/diets/fads just because of who the company has in their ads? It's really very sad. I just hope that consumers are actually investing more time in researching products now than in the past. At least there are places like ology and the like that you can go to for some advice and opinions from the experienced.


Semper Fi

 

[BigRonWannabee]

But can you imagine how many do though! How many countless dollars are spent on these products/diets/fads just because of who the company has in their ads? It's really very sad. I just hope that consumers are actually investing more time in researching products now than in the past. At least there are places like ology and the like that you can go to for some advice and opinions from the experienced.


Semper Fi

I'll admit, AST had me brainwashed for a while a few years back. We all know hydrolyzed whey tastes HORRIBLE. Yet their 100% hydrolyzed whey tastes like chocolate milk. Ive always wanted them to go down for that. That, and Willets BS diet plan.

 

[brooklynheight]

Yet their 100% hydrolyzed whey tastes like chocolate milk. Ive always wanted them to go down for that.

please expand--i was a loyal buyer of ast for 5 years until vitamin shoppe stopped carrying them

 

[BigRonWannabee]

please expand--i was a loyal buyer of ast for 5 years until vitamin shoppe stopped carrying them

Well, if you purchase real hydrolized whey from any true protein wholesaler...it tastes incredibly bitter and smells pretty horrible. Pure 100% hydrolyzed whey is almost undrinkable, even flavored and sweetened. YET AST claims thier shit is 100% hydrolyzed whey...BULLSHIT. Thier powders are fuckin delicious, I sometimes doubt they even have protein in them at all.

 

[Insane_Man]

I agree all the marketing jazz is bullshit.

But the glycemic index is way overhyped. Carbs is carbs guys.

When I was cutting, I lost 12 pound of fat in a month, all the while getting bigger. A while in, I replaced a lot my dietary carbs with candy and shit instead of, say, potatoes. The only disadvantage I saw was the the sugar made me hungrier.

 

[Frosty]

I agree all the marketing jazz is bullshit.

But the glycemic index is way overhyped. Carbs is carbs guys.

When I was cutting, I lost 12 pound of fat in a month, all the while getting bigger. A while in, I replaced a lot my dietary carbs with candy and shit instead of, say, potatoes. The only disadvantage I saw was the the sugar made me hungrier.

You can't extrapolate the results of ONE rare case study across all. There are guys that are lean as hell eating McDonalds and shit every day, but you can't just go applying that to everyone.

Carbs are not carbs. It's a joke to say that Rice Krispies are the same as having a boal of oatmeal.

 

[MeatWad]

Well, if you purchase real hydrolized whey from any true protein wholesaler...it tastes incredibly bitter and smells pretty horrible. Pure 100% hydrolyzed whey is almost undrinkable, even flavored and sweetened. YET AST claims thier shit is 100% hydrolyzed whey...BULLSHIT. Thier powders are fuckin delicious, I sometimes doubt they even have protein in them at all.

who else sells hydrolized whey protein? and just because it tastes horrible doesnt mean its higher quality protein.

Besides, most of the protein powders ive ever tasted all tasted the same, and pretty good to be honest.

 

[Frosty]

Even protein factory admits that the hydrolysed stuff is bitter. Everything I've heard is that it's very bitter.

I know BCAAs are the same. Stuff tastes like cat piss. I had some from MRM that was lemon flavored, and I guess the sourness of the lemon sorta masked the bitterness, but you could still taste the bitter BCAAs.

Ever notice that whey generally tastes like whey unless they really add a lot of shit or other things to it? I would assume hydrolysed would be the same, especially considering it's bitter and whey isn't.

 

[DirkMoneyshot]

Not all carbs are the same???? In their simplest form yes they are!

I'll agree that to a point the glycemic index is overhyped - Especially for bodybuilders where we are eating typically 50g Protein / meal along with trace fats.

Its the POINT that most people don't take into account HOW MUCH carbs their are eating.

And yes Hydrolyzed Protein tastes like ass - However i do believe AST probably puts out as close to a good product as they can.

It all comes down to FLAVORING Matrix they are using. Its the same as why doesn't 99% of the whey's taste as good as maybe the Syntrax Nectar.

Also BCAA's shouldn't mix in water - THEY WILL CLUMP. So get the pills or suck it down real fast.

 

[Mudge]

Kind of a joke but if you are going to eat stuff like that, then at your most catabolic moment then is the time, along WITH protein not just the milk IMO.

If you are going to eat dirty do it early, eat cleaner as the day wears on.

 

[Frosty]

Kind of a joke but if you are going to eat stuff like that, then at your most catabolic moment then is the time, along WITH protein not just the milk IMO.

If you are going to eat dirty do it early, eat cleaner as the day wears on.

Or eat bad cereals post-workout with your protein. Hell, Rice Krispies, Corn flakes, etc have a GI higher than pure glucose

 

[Vinni]

Where did u get that information from frosty? Or is it an assumption? That cereals have a higher GI than glucose?

 

[HardBody]

i hear ron coleman eats Coco Puffs hourly, with chocolate milk...mmmmmm

no i wouldn't eat them for no reason, stick to oatmeal

 

[brooklynheight]

the theory is behind the inslulin spike it will cause in the am..
sincd your body has been depleted of protein