Fun with First Time Injections

[GymLift]

Use an anti-inflammatory (Advil) and ice it. Good luck.

 

[Ice-9]

I'm using advil like crazy. This site is not like the glute. There is no lump. The whole muscle is inflamed.

I've noticed that Winstrol (winny) seems to have a stimulant effect. I get really hot, and I can't get to sleep if I take it after noon.

 

[Ice-9]

Just did a back workout. The pumps were great. I almost hurled from a back workout! That's a first. I think I may be getting the feel for this stuff. I don't think I'm going to see incredible strength gains, but the pumps are going to be where it's at.

Delt pain is showing no signs of letting up. At least it's not a huge black and blue mess for my g/f to find. I'm still using a lot of advil. I'm sure my liver hates me right now.

 

[Golgo13]

You will get used to it. Just keep at it, inject slow. The small iritations are nuthin compared to the joy of hitting your goals in a cycle.

 

[blackjack]

isnt winstrol a water-based injectable? if so that could be where the pain is coming from. all the water based suspensions hurt like hell because the solute comes out of solution so quick in the tissues. also if you dont go deep enogh and inject into the adipose tissue just under the skin, you will bruise.

 

[GymLift]

Everybody in this thread makes it sound like these injections problems from Ice-9 are normal. But are they? I mean, I know that it isn't like this for long ester testosterones. So is it the Winstrol (winny)? Or is it sub-standard-grade gear?

 

[Golgo13]

people have different tollerences for pain, people have different predisposition to bruising... Everybody is different, but it sounds like normal stuff to me.

 

[Ice-9]

To clear up the gear issue, the stuff came shrink wrapped with QV hologram stickers and Spanish labels. I'm fairly confident in the quality of the gear unless you guys have reason for me to feel otherwise.

 

[GymLift]

Many guys aren't satisfied with genuine QV. I don't know if it has too much BA or what.

 

[Ice-9]

Aaaah. The delt pain is remarkably better today. I think I'm changing to every day instead of every other day for my Winstrol (winny). EOD is sending me on a rollercoaster. I'm on an up for a day, and by the end of the second day, I'm depressed as hell. I like to keep an even keel, so I'm gonna just do every day. I figure it's probably not physically or mentally healthy to be be going up and down like that.

I've got some M1T laying around. Do you guys see anywhere in my cycle to put maybe a week of that? I know it's super bad for the liver and causes major shutdown, but if you guys have any suggestions (even if you suggest burning the M1T), I'd love to hear 'em.

 

[string_bean00]

Calf injections kick ass but it depends on what you're injecting. I'd only use them for relativley painless gear, because it will still hurt some.

 

[Ice-9]

Wow. First day of 50 mg two days in a row. My BP is through the fuckin' roof. I might need to lower the dose for every day.

 

[GymLift]

My BP is through the fuckin' roof.

What is it? High blood pressure while taking gear is a very bad thing. I think StoneColdNTO said something about increased risk of an enlarged heart (which is a muscle, of course).

 

[Golgo13]

If you have a BP issue, throw away the M1T.

 

[Ice-9]

I haven't actually had a chance to check it, but I will later tonight if I can. I have all the symptoms. I'm sweating profusely, and my face feels hot AND I have red patches under my eyes. That's textbook hypertension. I think I'm gonna cut back to 25 mg ed. The sweating lets me know that I'm burning the hell out of some fat, but it's not worth the health problems down the road associated with hypertension. I saw somewhere that someone was taking 100 mg ed, but I don't know how they haven't had a stroke yet.

I did a 3 week cycle of M1T last summer at 10 mg ed, and I didn't have any hypertension. I gained so much strength that I injured one of my wrists, and I had wrists problems the rest of the summer. The one side effect that I did have was severe depression. At or above 15 mg ed, I got suicidal and lethargic. Luckily, Winstrol (winny) is treatin' me good.

 

[Ice-9]

Referring back to the enlarged heart issue, should I be avoiding cardio while on cycle?

As an update, things are going good, keeping the dose at 25 mg ed orally for now. I'm going to the beach with my family, so I don't want to inject in my thigh because I don't need a bruise to explain. I'm getting some 1.5" pins in so I can go back to injecting the glute as was suggested. I'm having minimal side effects. My frustration tolerance is a little low, but other than that, I'm feeling good and seeing gains and staying sore. I did a back workout on Saturday, and I was still sore yesterday, Wednesday. That's what I'm talking about.

I tried some clen to see what that was all about, and I have to say I'm disappointed. Two clen tabs did less for me than an ECA stack. Something tells me that was $70 down the drain.

 

[GymLift]

Referring back to the enlarged heart issue, should I be avoiding cardio while on cycle?

I think if you have high blood pressure, then you simply shouldn't be on a cycle. But I am no expert on this matter.

I tried some clen to see what that was all about, and I have to say I'm disappointed. Two clen tabs did less for me than an ECA stack. Something tells me that was $70 down the drain.

How much clen is in each tablet?

One of the supposed benefits to clen is that it has a long half life (36 hours, although there is a significant drop after somethings like 7.5 hours) so it works much longer than the ECA. How exactly do you know how effective the clen was?

 

[Ice-9]

I'll add that I don't normally have high blood pressure.

I assumed my clen tabs were 20 mcg. It's been a while, but when I bought them, I'm pretty sure that's what he said they were, but I see that it does come in 40 mcg. If it's any help, it has an 'R' on the pill. The guy didn't give me the whole box, so I don't have a name brand. By the time it got to me, it was in a baggy. He told me he only deals in sealed goods, but maybe he didn't with this stuff.

When I was judging the effectiveness, I was referring to the amount that I felt stimulated. The friend that sold this to me said that two of these made his head feel like it was going to explode. I had nothing even close to that. Am I getting bad information or does it very from person to person?

 

[GymLift]

I was jittery my first few days trying clen (a low dose, at that), but I no longer have those issues.

40mcg is a conservative dose of clen. It is a good starting dose, work your way up from there.

As for the blood pressure, blood pressure raised by the Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is still bad. Also, clen probably isn't going to do your BP any favors.

 

[Ice-9]

Started on 6/21 weighing 220. I weighed in today, 10 days later, at 227. When people say that winstrol doesn't cause much water retention, they must mean relative to other anabolic compounds. I'm definitely retaining water.