Fyi-----tren users

[Italiano SPO]

to heal liver dammage, it needs almost 300 days of treatment.

the compounds which the most effective result is thistle ED.

and nerprun one time per week for 3 month.

liver could regenrate but it takes time for it.

Thanks for the post Kane bro.

 

[gorillaglue]

If you don't mind sharing ISPO, what were your ALT/AST? I usually pull the plug on my cycles when/if my ALT hits 500 (hepatitic levels).

I have a very sensitive liver when it comes to 17-aa's-even anavar sends me into triple digits for ALT/AST. It's not the norm, but everyone responds to these substances differently. Some people never break 100 (if that) even when they are eating 4 different methyls and pinning 3 different oils at the same time.

And like RJ said, get bloodwork done is the take home message. Your body is your body, so who knows how substance X will treat your liver without checking, and well, you should care enough about your health to factor the cost of bloodwork into your cycles.

There is obviously a dearth of human trenbolone studies (makes bloodwork and health monitoring even more important IMO), but there is one case report of liver toxicity attributed (correctly or incorrectly) to solo trenbolone use. Who knows if the tren was real and if the person had pre-existing liver disease, etc, but I find it interesting that the person would apparently self-report high dose trenbolone only use and not mention the use of other steroids unless he was using other steroids. Why half-lie in other words? N=1, so it doesn't mean much per se, but here it is anyway:

ASAIO J. 2006 Jan-Feb;52(1):117-8.

Cholestasis induced by parabolan successfully treated with the molecular adsorbent recirculating system.
Anand JS, Chodorowski Z, Hajduk A, Waldman W.

Clinic of Internal Medicine and Acute Poisonings, Medical University of Gda***324;sk, Ul. Debinki 7, 80-211 Gda***324;sk, Poland.

Abstract
We describe a case of a 21-year-old male bodybuilder who overdosed on Parabolan (trenbolone acetate) because of its anabolic activity. The patient, with no previous medical history, experienced pruritus and yellow discoloration of the skin and sclerae. Basic biochemical laboratory examination revealed signs of cholestasis with a serum bilirubin level of up to 65.5 mg/dl. Because supportive medical treatment was ineffective, the patient was treated with the molecular adsorbent recirculating system (MARS). Five MARS cycles lasting from 8 to 12 hours were performed every second day. The procedure was well tolerated by the patient and resulted in a sustained relief of pruritus. At the 2-month follow-up visit the plasma bilirubin level had decreased to 2 mg/dl.

PMID: 16436902 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Cholestasis doesn't seem impossible with trenbolone considering its strong progestational binding, but I tend to have the most problems (with any liver affecting AAS) with my ALT/AST rather than my cholestatic markers (alk phosphatase and GGT).

 

[Italiano SPO]

If you don't mind sharing ISPO, what were your ALT/AST? I usually pull the plug on my cycles when/if my ALT hits 500 (hepatitic levels).

I have a very sensitive liver when it comes to 17-aa's-even anavar sends me into triple digits for ALT/AST. It's not the norm, but everyone responds to these substances differently. Some people never break 100 (if that) even when they are eating 4 different methyls and pinning 3 different oils at the same time.

And like RJ said, get bloodwork done is the take home message. Your body is your body, so who knows how substance X will treat your liver without checking, and well, you should care enough about your health to factor the cost of bloodwork into your cycles.

There is obviously a dearth of human trenbolone studies (makes bloodwork and health monitoring even more important IMO), but there is one case report of liver toxicity attributed (correctly or incorrectly) to solo trenbolone use. Who knows if the tren was real and if the person had pre-existing liver disease, etc, but I find it interesting that the person would apparently self-report high dose trenbolone only use and not mention the use of other steroids unless he was using other steroids. Why half-lie in other words? N=1, so it doesn't mean much per se, but here it is anyway:



Cholestasis doesn't seem impossible with trenbolone considering its strong progestational binding, but I tend to have the most problems (with any liver affecting AAS) with my ALT/AST rather than my cholestatic markers (alk phosphatase and GGT).

I left without my copy...but I remember it being around 250. I will get my copy this week sometime though.

 

[R1rider]

you got me convinced Italiano. im getting lab work done for the first time, bad i know. been blasting and cruising for about 18 months

wish me luck

 

[juced_porkchop]

LOL tren doas NOT effect the liver or kidnys.
. if you where not drinking water theres your issue tren will dry you out and if your very dehydrated your kidnys can start to shut down.

iv used tren many times.

 

[Italiano SPO]

LOL tren doas NOT effect the liver or kidnys.
. if you where not drinking water theres your issue tren will dry you out and if your very dehydrated your kidnys can start to shut down.

iv used tren many times.

I drink tons of water so not sure if that would've been the case.

 

[24than]

I used tren E for 18weeks at 1400mg/week, and with help of dostinex (cabergoline) everything was fine (if I had not have dostinex, I would probably get gyno, becouse lump under nipple allready start to show up)

AST and ALT were allways just over top range (like on every other cycle or off cycle TBH)

GGT and KP were in normal range, so I do not know how you could get those bed results...

holesterol LDL was badly elevated, but I did eliminated that with help of niacin-B3 500mg/day

I first think that you use so called ORAL TREN, this is wery hurs steroid for liver, It elevated my liver values for 600% in 3weeks...so I would never use it again...

and nice to see you italian bro, I em from Slovenia

 

[Dbol7]

I only have run Tren E twice at 400mg each EW for 10 weeks. I've been cycling for about 4 years and only have done Deca/Test/Dbol other than the two most recent runs with Tren. I've never run Tren longer than 10 weeks at a clip and this most recent time I'm only in about 5 weeks and my labs, specificially AST and ALT are really BAD. Hopefully that gives you some info. The point is, Tren is some bad shit....and I think Teutonic can attest to it as well. I just never really realized how bad.

Dude thats a lot of Tren. I run it at 2x 100mg a week together with Win when I use it to harden up and it gets the job done, ever try less ?

 

[Greybeard]

I'm running Tren A @ 100mg EOD and Test E for the past 6-8 weeks. I just had a liver panel done last week and am waiting for the results...

Will see what my Doc says about the results but he doesn't know I'm HRT...

 

[trengod79]

that nasty tren cough slash choke here and there is enough to scare the hell out of u period its just ashame because tren works so well

 

[Greybeard]

Never had a Tren cough running E or A.... BUT - a dick that worked would be great. LOL!!!!

 

[trengod79]

The tren is weird my sex drive is through the roof while on tren mainly in the beginnig of the run kinda winds down near the end

 

[Greybeard]

Yeah, first 4 weeks or so I could of starred in any Porn movie. But then..........

 

[juced_porkchop]

The only correlation Drew is that I've run many cycles and compounds in the past and when I first introduced Tren, the difference in my labs was just too huge to ignore. I wouldn't say we have concrete evidence but the fact I have run many different things and my labwork has always been pretty consistent every other time is enough for me to conclude that it has to be the Tren. It's the only factor that is different than any of my other cycles so I guess you can kind of draw your own conclusions....perhaps.

not nuff water my friend, or you had other issues going on when you started it,

 

[juced_porkchop]

I used tren E for 18weeks at 1400mg/week, and with help of dostinex (cabergoline) everything was fine (if I had not have dostinex, I would probably get gyno, becouse lump under nipple allready start to show up)

AST and ALT were allways just over top range (like on every other cycle or off cycle TBH)

GGT and KP were in normal range, so I do not know how you could get those bed results...

holesterol LDL was badly elevated, but I did eliminated that with help of niacin-B3 500mg/day

I first think that you use so called ORAL TREN, this is wery hurs steroid for liver, It elevated my liver values for 600% in 3weeks...so I would never use it again...

and nice to see you italian bro, I em from Slovenia

wow thats a retared amount of tren. id nto pass 500-600mg ew and normally stick with 300-400mg ew.
be carful and please dont hit me lol

 

[juced_porkchop]

I drink tons of water so not sure if that would've been the case.

thats ood.
maybe its an allergy you have i mean whom knows.
i know alot of guys that use tren and never herd of things this bad. but everyone id diff.
for eg. I HATE DROl even just 25mg ed is toomuch andmakes me feellikeshit.
but i can be great with 75-100mg dbol ed for 6 weeks.

I wish you luck thow.
if you have these issue then stay away.

very ood thow

 

[Italiano SPO]

thats ood.
maybe its an allergy you have i mean whom knows.
i know alot of guys that use tren and never herd of things this bad. but everyone id diff.
for eg. I HATE DROl even just 25mg ed is toomuch andmakes me feellikeshit.
but i can be great with 75-100mg dbol ed for 6 weeks.

I wish you luck thow.
if you have these issue then stay away.

very ood thow

Yeah dude...very odd....I drink as much water as I do any other time so very weird.