Going against the grain... Low Test/High Deca Experiences?

STAUNCHED427

STAUNCHED427

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Going against the grain... Low Test/High Deca OR NPP Experiences?

Like the titles suggests, has anyone had an experiences of their own or people they know who have done say a TRT/Cruise dose of Test with an equal or higher dose of deca?

From the few reports I have come accross, a lot of people report that they still had libido/it was even better and had reduced sides compared to running higher test/lower deca. Kind of like the same thing with Low Test/High Tren.

I have always been under the impression that it's not the deca itself that causes ED/Decadick/Call it what you will, but rather the increase in prolactin and if you were running no test, Nandrolone/Dihydronandrolone are not as androgenic than test and will also add to the ED (but that running at least a maintenance dose of test your libido shouldn't suffer an dif it is then it is due to prolactin).

It brings to mind another question, has anyone got deca-dick whilst running ANY dose of test but with a DA agonist?

I am considering adding in 100mg Deca to my TRT for the purpose of joint cushioning as my shoulders and knees give me grief/any potential collagen synthesis (let's not turn that thread into another topic, please fellas) and when I plan to blast (in 3 months to double confirm my TRT protocol is dialed in, BTW if anyone is interested my bloods came back all perfect the way I wanted them so will see if it keeps stable and then a blast will be on the cards) and maybe just leaving the test dosage the same but see what deca alone can do. If I did bump the test up to blast I would not feel confortable without running atleast a low dose of deca for my joints anyway (I am uncomfortable as it is). If joints were not an issue I would just be looking at blasting 500mg test only, but that is not the case.

I'm willing to be a guinea pig on this one and try something like leave my TRT dose (250mg per week which has me at ~1400ng/dl) and throw in 400mg of Deca specifically as a joint-friendly blast along with a DA agonist to keep prolactin at bay. Sometimes we are all lead to believe that certain things have to be done how others say because they heard it from someone who heard it from someone who read it somewhere sort of thing... Without going off topic, look at what Low Test/High Tren does and vice-versa, Low Test/High EQ, Low Test/High Oral (ie 50mg+ Anavar/Winny = 350mg+ a week). Sure test is natural to the body whereas all the others are foriegn, but it seems to be that keeping the test relatively low just to keep things running smoothly and letting other AAS do the work seems to be the new thing these days. Honestly, the idea of 250mg Test/400-600mg Masteron/Tren seems like some good stacks. Test is watery, androgenic and yes anabolic but maybe it's not such a ludicrous idea after all and I am willing to be the guinea pig here... If it all turns south, I'll just lower the deca and up the test.

Curious to here experiences of Low Test/High Deca, not regurgitated quotes like "test needs to be run higher than deca" or ""you'll get deca dick", this threads purpose is for a discussion on the topic not just regurgitating the same shit I have read yet half the people can't explain why deca dick occurs. I may be wrong but I haven't read anyone getting deca dick when using a DA, unless I have just paid no attention.

Thoughts please :beertoast
 
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Im cruising right now with 250mg test and 400mg npp a week. I pin e3d and i havent had any sides. I take cialis eod for pre workout at 15mg and aro at 12.5mg ed. No da for me. Strength gains are coming on a little. Joint support is great and im getting leaner but thats the diet part :p good luck
 
How would you say you feel on that combo as it is pretty much what I planned to blast on. How long into it are you? Are you finding any problems with libido or sense of wellbeing?
 
At age 44 I did a 350 Test/400 Deca cycle and woke up with a raging hard-on every morning.

At age 45, I started another 350 Test/400 Deca cycle and had some occasional difficulties getting an erection. Mid cycle, I switched to 400 test/350 Deca and had no further problems.

The first cycle was with gear from Z, second was from pinn. I suspect Z's deca was under dosed compared to pinn's, but maybe it's just that I'm getting older.
 
yellowballs said:
Whats your reasoning for doing this, how are your gains as compared to higher dose of Test?
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I wanted to keep aromatization down. Deca still aromatizes but not as much as test. I ran into an issue though. My deca has test mixed in it. That was a little frustrating.
 
Toshiro said:
Does the nandrolone mess up your blood test results for the TRT? Just curious since it stays in system a fairly long time.

Take care,
T.
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Deca does not affect your TT, unless you get some with test mixed in like I unfortunately did. My deca apparently isn't pure.
 
Megatron28 said:
Deca does not affect your TT, unless you get some with test mixed in like I unfortunately did. My deca apparently isn't pure.
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Wow, how did you discover this, from doing BW I assume and your TT levels were higher?

I would say that if you can trust your deca to be pure then running high deca with TRT level test is a great way to keep your TT levels in a normal range but still benefit from running a cycle!
 
Thanks for the replies fellas, much appreciated. I have some deca lined up and will be giving it a shot at 200mg weekly whilst leaving my 250mg Test untouched. Really hoping this helps my shoulders and knees although I will get them checked out professionally.
 
yellowballs said:
Wow, how did you discover this, from doing BW I assume and your TT levels were higher?

I would say that if you can trust your deca to be pure then running high deca with TRT level test is a great way to keep your TT levels in a normal range but still benefit from running a cycle!
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Yes, blood work showed that despite still being on my TRT dose of test cyp from the pharmacy that my TT shot way up when I added the deca. It was a little disappointing. It ruined my great experiment. :-(
 
STAUNCHED427 said:
Thanks for the replies fellas, much appreciated. I have some deca lined up and will be giving it a shot at 200mg weekly whilst leaving my 250mg Test untouched. Really hoping this helps my shoulders and knees although I will get them checked out professionally.
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Just remember that it takes a long time for deca to kick in due to the ester. Give it time.
 
Megatron28 said:
Yes, blood work showed that despite still being on my TRT dose of test cyp from the pharmacy that my TT shot way up when I added the deca. It was a little disappointing. It ruined my great experiment. :-(
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I'll report back on how the Deca affects my bloods as well... along with sides and whatnot. Deca will be the first foreign AAS besides test and will be my first blast so quite interested to see how this pans out. In all honesty, I am moreso after joint relief/collagen synthesis from this however obviously still keen to see how it goes for mass/appetite stimulation.

Megatron28 said:
Just remember that it takes a long time for deca to kick in due to the ester. Give it time.
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I'm not expecting too much except for hopefully some joint relief a few weeks in with some extra muscle fullness, not expecting anything radical in gains until the 8 week mark onwards to be honest. I'm thinking of giving it a 16 week run at 400mg and then dropping it back down to 100mg alongside my TRT dose purely for added joint relief.
 
Give it more like 8 weeks to notice any improvement in your joints. You would have to use NPP if you want something faster acting.
 
I've read many people reporting that NPP did not give them the joint relief that deca did yet still caused positive joint relief just supposedly not as good, they could only attribute too the longer ester holding more water much like Test Prop/Enanthate (without getting into e2 mangement etc). Also I think it can be ruled out that it's not a difference in total unboudn hormone from the ester as the difference between NPP and Deca is contrary to what people say the phenylpropionate ester is rather heavy (weighing almost as much as the decanoate ester), yet shorter acting AKA less fat soluble (for anyone not reading, ester "length" does not mean more "length" = slower releasing, it's the fat solubility of the ester itself not the physical length on atom arrangements).

However I have heard and read people saying that they had joint relief at the earliest 3-4 weeks in with deca. I'm a little undecided on the dose, not wanting to go lower than 200 or higher than 400, however I want to treat it like a little blast alongside the main purpose of using the deca for joint relief.
 
STAUNCHED427 said:
I've read many people reporting that NPP did not give them the joint relief that deca did yet still caused positive joint relief just supposedly not as good, they could only attribute too the longer ester holding more water much like Test Prop/Enanthate (without getting into e2 mangement etc). Also I think it can be ruled out that it's not a difference in total unboudn hormone from the ester as the difference between NPP and Deca is contrary to what people say the phenylpropionate ester is rather heavy (weighing almost as much as the decanoate ester), yet shorter acting AKA less fat soluble (for anyone not reading, ester "length" does not mean more "length" = slower releasing, it's the fat solubility of the ester itself not the physical length on atom arrangements).

However I have heard and read people saying that they had joint relief at the earliest 3-4 weeks in with deca. I'm a little undecided on the dose, not wanting to go lower than 200 or higher than 400, however I want to treat it like a little blast alongside the main purpose of using the deca for joint relief.
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Nandrolone should be nandrolone. The ester shouldn't matter.
 
Lots of people use high anabolics without gh. A lot of people just respond better to other compounds than test, only real reason to take high stupidly high is when you're primed with gh.
 
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