Going to cyle soon but with a few health issues.

[Jet1990]

hi all, me and my brother are going to be going on our first cycle in the next few months ( hopefully around oct/nov)

just a quick low down on a few things:

• were thinking of going on Test-E and poss deca or D-bol but im unsure about taking tablets due to a kidney problem
• we have 3 bodybuilders in the fam of whom are 50+ and 22-25 and theyve all juiced up with no problems so these guys will be our senseis in this matter lol
• were going to have all our stuff lined up before we cycle such as the post cycle therapy (pct) and basically everything we need

now when i give my figures i know alot of guys are going to say im too young/small to be cycling but ive made my mind up. Im not stupid in the sense im juicing up without a decent foundation to build on. im going to try my hardest to reach my genetic potential and once i believe ive hit the wall; ill go on a cycle.

stats:
turning 21 in two weeks.
weight: 76kg on an empty stomach.
havent taken any measurements yet but one thing to be noted is that i workour 4 times a week in the gym and twice at kickboxing ( which i plan on sticking to whilst cycling)

my only concern is that i was born with one and a half kidneys ( one being perfectly normal and the other half the size and sitting on my bladder) so far im using on whey goldstandard protein and i havent had any excess protein in my urine. Both my kidneys are functioning but instead of splitting the work load 50/50 like a normal pair. its more like 85/15 ( told this at birth). so im waiting for my CT results to come back which will give me a definate picture on how well my kindeys are functioning.

I plan on speaking to a specialist about my plans to go on a cycle just to get a picture on what this may do to my kindeys because i really dont want to risk damaging them.

heres a few current pics. please bare in mind that i plan on doing a solid few months of training so more size it to be put on.

 

[Jet1990]

pics dont seem to be loading. can a mod fix this please?

 

[Bullseye Forever]

Brother,welcome to Ology!!!!! man i would help you with your question,but you arent even 21 yet and i really dont like giving advice unless someone is 25 or over,sorry my friend...i just hate to see you ess yourself up

 

[Jet1990]

no worries but dont let my age fool you. i know theres alot of young guys out there who mess their bodys up by cycling like idiots. my cousins have cycled since they were 17 and i know tht was obv far too soon, theyve never had a single problem because my uncle has done it for over 30 years so dont worry ill be under very good guidance so watch this space in a few months

 

[bigherm2121]

Ya bud a lot of guys don't agree with you. It will be hard to get anwsers. Your just too damn young with kidney problems. So what your other family is juicing. Is it worth it? Jeopardizing your heath because you wanna look good in the mirror. Not worth it because everyone's different and you might not be is fortunate. Well you won't hit a wall if u knew how to eat right. But I know your diet is perfect just like every new kid that comes on here. Needless to say it isn't. If you can't grow now at 20 how you going to grow on gear? Your just going to waste money.

 

[Jet1990]

i thought the whole point on using testosterone was it allows your muscles to absorb more protein? thus adding muscle mass, i wont lie my diet is nowhere near perfect but im going to try and get it as perfect as i can. im going to wait for my results to come through and take it from there because i dont want to risk my health at all.

 

[Jet1990]

just like to add incase i made my kidney problem seem worse than what it is, ive never had problems with my kidneys ( touch wood). never been in hospital with them. only in and out a few times as a baby but apart from that, not a single kidney infection, never needed dialysis. could someone with one kidney go on the juice?

 

[bigherm2121]

I don't know the anwser your question about kidneys but if you don't eat you aren't going to grow. 6 meals a day. Not 6 protein shakes either.

 

[Bullseye Forever]

your endocrine system and growth platlets havnt fully finished growing yet,and plus your kidney problem,you are asking for more problems man

 

[MeatHead96]

your endocrine system and growth platlets havnt fully finished growing yet,and plus your kidney problem,you are asking for more problems man

Agreed, this is not a good idea. And yeah you def need to get that diet in check. How many calories are you taking in and what is your macronutrient breakdown?

 

[thebird]

I am no juice expert, but what I do know is that you are entirely too young, in your prime for growth, and if you can't grow without the juice, you are either not genetically gifted, or you are eating nowhere near enough.

 

[Jet1990]

update on my kidney results. in a nutshell. i have one and a half kidneys. both are working fine with no sign of any complications such as bloackage or dilation. in a normal healthy person the kidneys would split the workload 50/50 but in mine its 94/6, this may seem extreme but i like to think of myself being inbetween someone having two normal kidneys and someone having only one kidney.

remembering ive had this from birth so my whole kidney system has adapted to this situation, ive never being on any medication of any sort. im having another test done because the 94/6 figure can be inaccurate if one of the kidneys are located in the pelvic area ( which mine is). im defo going to cycle. it may not be as soon as i hoped but defo in the next year because im already full racking most of the machines at the gym so i know im lifting good for my size. im staying away from orals so what are the best test based roids for me to take, ive heard that stuff like tren is quite harsh. would deca be a better option?

 

[StevenTae]

update on my kidney results. in a nutshell. i have one and a half kidneys. both are working fine with no sign of any complications such as bloackage or dilation. in a normal healthy person the kidneys would split the workload 50/50 but in mine its 94/6, this may seem extreme but i like to think of myself being inbetween someone having two normal kidneys and someone having only one kidney.

remembering ive had this from birth so my whole kidney system has adapted to this situation, ive never being on any medication of any sort. im having another test done because the 94/6 figure can be inaccurate if one of the kidneys are located in the pelvic area ( which mine is). im defo going to cycle. it may not be as soon as i hoped but defo in the next year because im already full racking most of the machines at the gym so i know im lifting good for my size. im staying away from orals so what are the best test based roids for me to take, ive heard that stuff like tren is quite harsh. would deca be a better option?

Jet, you seem like a good dude and you haven't been disrespectful to the guys giving you advice such as some of the other newer guys on here.

With that said, on Ology you are going to find it hard to get advice on what to do as no matter what you feel or what your family members did you are just way to young to use gear. It is really as simple as that. Why? there are many reasons:

1). You have enough Test in your system naturally. Us old guys are using Test base to try to get back to a level that is even close to what you probably have naturally (unless you get blood work to prove that you are LOW-T);
2). Your growth Plates and bone structure may not be done growing yet. Again you can go to a doctor to see if they are. How many times do we look at a picture of someone at 21 and then again at them when they are 25 and the differences are amazing. A boy vs. a man. And no I am not talking about weight, facial hair, etc. I am talking bone structure. At 21 you are just on the tail end of puberty (no offense please);

Your uncle who started juicing at 17 and has been doing it for 30 years. God Bless him. He could be one of the lucky ones, or he could drop dead at 55 because of damage he did to himself that he doesn't even know about (Not saying that is going to happen but you don't know).

Bro, again you seem like a good dude. If you are open to advice then go talk to 3J, get him to get your diet in check. Go on the workout forum and get your workouts in check. If you don't know if you are doing it right then call a local pro body builder and see if you can get a couple of weeks of training to get your shit straight.

Eat like a rock star, train like there is no tomorrow. Do that until you are 25 and then gear and I guarantee you (genetics willing) you will be a fucking monster by the time you are 26. Without that solid base, the gear will just give you temporary strength and temporary size with a potential myriad of health issues down the line. In my risk analysis that is not worth it.

Good luck with whatever you decide!

-StevenTae

 

[UserAt204]

Good post Steven. I would also suggest waiting and stay natural for a couple more years- best advise.

Now everyone responds different to AAS and you are at a disadvantage to start. I get blood work about every 4 weeks on cycle, before and after. Typically if I'm not using any orals or tren I don't see any increase in kidney values. Well not completely true, there is an elevation in creatinine levels but that happens from training also. But that's with two perfectly healthy kidneys. This could be the complete opposite for you.

My hematocrit always gets high on cycle. Others have no problem. So I have to donate blood on a regular basis while on or I could be looking at heart disease, stroke, etc. AAS can typically be used safely but it will vary between people and you need to be very very careful. Your health is not worth risking and I advise against starting now. If you don't listen to that advise that's on you but at least get regular blood work to see what's happening while on and keep it simple. Test is all that's needed. You start adding more you will be increasing your chances for damage.

Take some more time and think things thru.

 

[JOOSE]

I had a similiar post to this....I currently at the moment have one kidney also....from research i recommend starting "ONLY TEST" Quite frankly thats all im going to stick to and i suggest doing the same. With the correct diet,training, and post cycle therapy (pct) along with test you can never go wrong.

 

[JOOSE]

Ur kidney will already be filtering all these other products (Test,PCT, FOOD, ETC) why add another compound to the situation? Just adding extra stress to your kidney that it doesnt need. Hope you do the right thing

 

[Jet1990]

Thanks for the replies guys, some really good advice there. One thing thats a little confusing; youre saying that i have enough test naturally in me at the moment as someone in their 30s? if thats the case why do people suddenly bulk on so much in so little time like up until i first started the gym ( age 19) i was very slim; i wouldnt say skinny but i didnt have alot of muscle, since starting the weights i have gained alot of mass. id say im alot stronger than i look cz i know for a fact im lifting more than guys at the gym triple my size and to top it off theyve got a worse technique than me.

As immature as this may seem, theres a slight peer pressure to cycle quicker ( my brother whom is also my age is wanting to juice up as well as friends) so i dont really want to be the guy falling behind in the gym. my current routine is:

Mon: chest, tris.
Tues: kickboxing
Wed: back, bis
Thurs:kickboxing
Fri: shoulders legs
Sat: kickboxing

if i stick to this regime whilst cycling would my kickboxing (which is an immense cardio workout) benefit the cycle?

 

[StevenTae]

Thanks for the replies guys, some really good advice there. One thing thats a little confusing; youre saying that i have enough test naturally in me at the moment as someone in their 30s? if thats the case why do people suddenly bulk on so much in so little time like up until i first started the gym ( age 19) i was very slim; i wouldnt say skinny but i didnt have alot of muscle, since starting the weights i have gained alot of mass. id say im alot stronger than i look cz i know for a fact im lifting more than guys at the gym triple my size and to top it off theyve got a worse technique than me.

As immature as this may seem, theres a slight peer pressure to cycle quicker ( my brother whom is also my age is wanting to juice up as well as friends) so i dont really want to be the guy falling behind in the gym. my current routine is:

Mon: chest, tris.
Tues: kickboxing
Wed: back, bis
Thurs:kickboxing
Fri: shoulders legs
Sat: kickboxing

if i stick to this regime whilst cycling would my kickboxing (which is an immense cardio workout) benefit the cycle?

Not what I said. Said that at your age you have more test naturally then us older guys. Your TEST LEVELS ARE NATURALLY HIGH AT 21 YEARS OLD. THAT IS THE REASON WHY YOU ARE GETTING THE GAINS THAT YOU REFERENCED. NOW YOU WANT TO JAB A NEEDLE IN YOU TO INCREASE YOUR TEST TO A LEVEL THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO BE AT AND CHANCE SHUTTING YOUR NATURALLY TEST LEVELS DOWN??

Peer pressure as a rationale... Bro. Slow down and treat your body with some respect. What you said makes as much sense as you picking up heroine since you don't want to be the last one of your friends to still have teeth.... Come on, grow up and use your brain. Again, I know you have one as your posts are intelligent and well written..

BUT..... If you have already decided to use gear then rock on. And again, at your age I don't think you are going to find anyone to answer any of your questions regarding steroid use. Perhaps you think I am a dick, but I am trying to prevent you from fucking your body up.

Good luck little bro.. Flip the peer pressure and make your brother realize that you are both too young to use. OR, let him juice and get bigger then you, then when he gets off cycle and shrinks you can laugh because your natural gains will be solid and won't go away....

 

[Jet1990]

i appreciate what youre saying, perhaps i should try and make more of an effort naturally. thing is; im eating alot healthier and upping my calorie intake but im slowly noticing that i dont seem to be gaining any mass, im gaining strength but nothing visually. I currently use jack3d for my pre workout which is awsome; great pumps n great drive. I want my workout pumps all the time lol but i dont understand why i dont seem to be putting anymore size on???

 

[StevenTae]

Your answer is simple. U don't know how to eat to grow. It is not easy. Get in touch with 3j and let him set u up with a diet. You need him.