. Going to to Dbol, low dose at 10-15mg for 6 weeks. post cycle therapy (pct) SUGGESTIONS.

[USAF]

2. so you now know for a fact what Arnold was doing? And I agree he was prolly doing Dbol, but if you think he was doing 10mg/d you really are retarded.

3. Its hair, get over it. If you know how to fuck and are built like king kong, it don't matter.

4. If you weren't drooling over the gains you think you'll make on 10mg of Dbol and would have read my post, you would understand what i meant. Which was this. You are only looking to get back to 202 lbs. Which is 8.5lbs higher than you are now. What I am saying is if you can't gain that without steroids than you have bigger issues. Get it? I'm saying you have no idea what it takes to gain muscle. I don't give a shit if you were 20lbs when you were 16. That measley amount of weight gain can be done naturally. All your gonna do is shtdown your natural test for a little water weight gain.

Of course at 21 years old I would expect nothing less. Make sure those quarter squats with 315lbs are done in sets of 30.

Good luck.

I see what you're saying, and I gained it naturally once and sure, I could do it again, but I'd raather shoot back up to my weight than have to lift for another month or two to put it back on.

Sorry, no 1/4 squats here. 3x12 - 325. Full squat. No pansy here.

 

[USAF]

2. so you now know for a fact what Arnold was doing? And I agree he was prolly doing Dbol, but if you think he was doing 10mg/d you really are retarded.

3. Its hair, get over it. If you know how to fuck and are built like king kong, it don't matter.

4. If you weren't drooling over the gains you think you'll make on 10mg of Dbol and would have read my post, you would understand what i meant. Which was this. You are only looking to get back to 202 lbs. Which is 8.5lbs higher than you are now. What I am saying is if you can't gain that without steroids than you have bigger issues. Get it? I'm saying you have no idea what it takes to gain muscle. I don't give a shit if you were 20lbs when you were 16. That measley amount of weight gain can be done naturally. All your gonna do is shtdown your natural test for a little water weight gain.

Of course at 21 years old I would expect nothing less. Make sure those quarter squats with 315lbs are done in sets of 30.

Good luck.

Would tbol be a better choice? Does it still have the same sides such as hair loss? I hear the gains are much dryer too.

 

[ezred]

why don't you just do test prop for 8 weeks? pretty quickly you'll be putting up more weight and you'll be growing real growth not something you'll piss out later and get all depressed about. and while you'll shut down your natty test production the same, you'll at least keep test flowing in your system which means a whole heap of issues that occur when you don't have test flowing won't occur.

Would tbol be a better choice? Does it still have the same sides such as hair loss? I hear the gains are much dryer too.

 

[RJ]

I see what you're saying, and I gained it naturally once and sure, I could do it again, but I'd raather shoot back up to my weight than have to lift for another month or two to put it back on.

Sorry, no 1/4 squats here. 3x12 - 325. Full squat. No pansy here.

ok, enough being a dick for a minute.

You have just proven my point USAF. You just said you could do this naturally in a month or two. So why fuck up your natty test for a bunch of water gain you'll lose after you're done if you could get all your good weight back in a fucking month or two?

Isn't 6 weeks between a month or two? Unless my math is wrong, you are doing this for nothing.

Like mason said, I'm rying to help you understand what you are doing is what you would be doing anyway with food and training, except your wasting time, money, and your natty test.

 

[USAF]

why don't you just do test prop for 8 weeks? pretty quickly you'll be putting up more weight and you'll be growing real growth not something you'll piss out later and get all depressed about. and while you'll shut down your natty test production the same, you'll at least keep test flowing in your system which means a whole heap of issues that occur when you don't have test flowing won't occur.

Yeah, I think thats a good plan. I've read up on prop and from what I have read and what people say, you get great growth from it. More so than test e, and the gaines are more keepable. Is this a lot of water weight I would gain from the prop?

 

[glubgawd]

Yeah, I think thats a good plan. I've read up on prop and from what I have read and what people say, you get great growth from it. More so than test e, and the gaines are more keepable. Is this a lot of water weight I would gain from the prop?

You were about to take a dbol only cycle and NOW you're worried about water weight with prop? I'm confused.

Anyways, no it won't be a lot of water weight. Obviously some of it will be (unavoidable), but you'll keep a significant portion of the muscle. Honestly, running prop is a WAY better idea than the dbol only. Or if you want to really step it up, you can run test E for 12 weeks and use dbol for the first 4-6 weeks of that.

Good luck with whatever you decide man.

 

[USAF]

ok, enough being a dick for a minute.

You have just proven my point USAF. You just said you could do this naturally in a month or two. So why fuck up your natty test for a bunch of water gain you'll lose after you're done if you could get all your good weight back in a fucking month or two?

Isn't 6 weeks between a month or two? Unless my math is wrong, you are doing this for nothing.

Like mason said, I'm rying to help you understand what you are doing is what you would be doing anyway with food and training, except your wasting time, money, and your natty test.

You're 100% right. I figured by taking it for 6 wks i may go beyond what i would in that time naturally.

From what ezred said, I may just go with prop. arimidex as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), and nolvadex post cycle therapy (pct), 40 40 30 20. hows that sound? should i add in dbol or tbol? or just stick with the prop first time around?

 

[RJ]

You're 100% right. I figured by taking it for 6 wks i may go beyond what i would in that time naturally.

From what ezred said, I may just go with prop. arimidex as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), and nolvadex post cycle therapy (pct), 40 40 30 20. hows that sound? should i add in dbol or tbol? or just stick with the prop first time around?

finally. haha

yeah dude, just run with the prop. If you wanna run the dbol, thats fine, but prop will kick pretty fast. If you do the dbol, please do at least 30mg.

Just make sure you drink plenty of water to keep your bloat down. Adex is fine. I like Toremifine for post cycle therapy (pct), but that should work. do 40/40/20/20 with the Nolva.

Keep us posted.

 

[USAF]

You were about to take a dbol only cycle and NOW you're worried about water weight with prop? I'm confused.

Anyways, no it won't be a lot of water weight. Obviously some of it will be (unavoidable), but you'll keep a significant portion of the muscle. Honestly, running prop is a WAY better idea than the dbol only. Or if you want to really step it up, you can run test E for 12 weeks and use dbol for the first 4-6 weeks of that.

Good luck with whatever you decide man.

no, i wasn't worried. i was just curious if it was anything like dbol.

could i run dbol witht he prop instead, becuase from what i understand, the prop actually promotes more keepable muslce gain

 

[ezred]

if your goal is to really just get back to the around 202 and be done with it, then stay natty for sure.... in my opinion. if you are looking at getting back there for STARTERS and then moving forward from there then I'd say if you are so into a dbol only 6 week cycle then a test-prop only 8 week cycle would be far better than the dbol only option.

of course, if you're looking at continuing to grow then doing the standard test-e cycle makes sense too.... but anyway.... was just an idea that seemed so much better than a dbol only cycle it was worth mentioning. ultimately people are gonna do what they're gonna do.

Yeah, I think thats a good plan. I've read up on prop and from what I have read and what people say, you get great growth from it. More so than test e, and the gaines are more keepable. Is this a lot of water weight I would gain from the prop?

 

[USAF]

if your goal is to really just get back to the around 202 and be done with it, then stay natty for sure.... in my opinion. if you are looking at getting back there for STARTERS and then moving forward from there then I'd say if you are so into a dbol only 6 week cycle then a test-prop only 8 week cycle would be far better than the dbol only option.

of course, if you're looking at continuing to grow then doing the standard test-e cycle makes sense too.... but anyway.... was just an idea that seemed so much better than a dbol only cycle it was worth mentioning. ultimately people are gonna do what they're gonna do.

The prop sounds good. Humditty had suggested it to someone looking to pick up solid size. What do you think is better for gaining overall size? The test E -OR- PROP?

 

[avangel]

all i use is prop. Now make sure you dont mind pinning because it'll be eod.
tbol or dbol you ask? Well the tbol isn't as strong however it'll go well with the test prop because it'll be leaner. I've used tbol with prop before and it was ok but definitely not as strong as dbol.

 

[RJ]

The prop sounds good. Humditty had suggested it to someone looking to pick up solid size. What do you think is better for gaining overall size? The test E -OR- PROP?

gaining size has nothing to do with the drug. Nutrition is key here. If thats on you can gain or cut no matter what drug you do.

 

[USAF]

gaining size has nothing to do with the drug. Nutrition is key here. If thats on you can gain or cut no matter what drug you do.

My nutrition is pretty much on point.

It does get pretty damn old, eating the same shit everyday.

[1]- I eat 10 whole eggs w/ketchup, 2 packets of grits |or| oatmeal
[2]- 2 cans tuna with mayo, relish and mustard, 4 slices of bread, while on break.
[3]- 2 cans tuna |or| 1-2 chicken breast, |or| 3-4 beef patties with 1 cup of cooked rice with soy sauce and broccoli, cup and a half cottage cheese at lunch.
[4]- Protein shake

[5]- 2 cans tuna |or| 1-2 chicken breast |or| 10 whole eggs, with 1-2 cups rice with broccoli and carrots. Stir Fry. (Pre-Workout).
[6]- Stir-Fry veggie mix with chicken |or| tuna, protein shake, creatine.

This comes out roughly to 4200calories, 370 carbs that i will probably bump up, 400g protein. Not worried about the fat intake.

 

[RJ]

Not worried about the fat intake.

good, cause once a week i want you to try this. This is how you eat to get big.

Meal 1 - 2 stacks of buttermilk pancakes from Cracker Barrell, lotsa syrup. 2 servings of turkey sausage. 3 eggs over easy.

Meal 2 - 3 PB&Js with 8oz Milk

Meal 3 - 2 double quater pounders with Cheese, large fry, applie pie or parfait from McDonalds.

Meal 4 - Same as #2

Meal 5 - X large Pizza. Sausage, extra cheese, and pepperoni from Papa Johns.

Meal 6 - Same as #2

Every Sunday. You wanna get big, you gotta follow these rules.

THINK BIG, EAT BIG, LIFT BIG, GET BIG.

 

[USAF]

good, cause once a week i want you to try this. This is how you eat to get big.

Meal 1 - 2 stacks of buttermilk pancakes from Cracker Barrell, lotsa syrup. 2 servings of turkey sausage. 3 eggs over easy.

Meal 2 - 3 PB&Js with 8oz Milk

Meal 3 - 2 double quater pounders with Cheese, large fry, applie pie or parfait from McDonalds.

Meal 4 - Same as #2

Meal 5 - X large Pizza. Sausage, extra cheese, and pepperoni from Papa Johns.

Meal 6 - Same as #2

Every Sunday. You wanna get big, you gotta follow these rules.

THINK BIG, EAT BIG, LIFT BIG, GET BIG.

Haha, that looks identical to my cheat days. That won't be a problem. I can kill me some PB&J's.

 

[USAF]

if your goal is to really just get back to the around 202 and be done with it, then stay natty for sure.... in my opinion. if you are looking at getting back there for STARTERS and then moving forward from there then I'd say if you are so into a dbol only 6 week cycle then a test-prop only 8 week cycle would be far better than the dbol only option.

of course, if you're looking at continuing to grow then doing the standard test-e cycle makes sense too.... but anyway.... was just an idea that seemed so much better than a dbol only cycle it was worth mentioning. ultimately people are gonna do what they're gonna do.

would I get better results from 8 weeks prop or 12 weeks test e?

 

[ezred]

would I get better results from 8 weeks prop or 12 weeks test e?

not sure. if you really want you could do a 12 week test-e cycle and kickstart that with a few weeks of test-prop (like 4). get your levels up quicker, start "feeling it" earlier, gives you time to get your gains up and then the longer overall cycle gives you time at the end to focus on getting your body adjusted to the new muscle and ready to head into post cycle therapy (pct) and hang onto it all.

of course there will still be major adjustments after the cycle as you learn how to maintain that weight WITHOUT the added benefits of the gear.

 

[USAF]

not sure. if you really want you could do a 12 week test-e cycle and kickstart that with a few weeks of test-prop (like 4). get your levels up quicker, start "feeling it" earlier, gives you time to get your gains up and then the longer overall cycle gives you time at the end to focus on getting your body adjusted to the new muscle and ready to head into post cycle therapy (pct) and hang onto it all.

of course there will still be major adjustments after the cycle as you learn how to maintain that weight WITHOUT the added benefits of the gear.

I will probably do that next cycle. That is a really good idea.

This cycle I am going to do 100mg prop eod[400mg/wk] wk 1 - 8, with 30mg dbol 1-4. Arimidex on hand and will run .5mg(maybe 1mg if gyno is bad) if needed, and I will continue the use throughout the entire cycle and through post cycle therapy (pct). My post cycle therapy (pct) will be Nolvadex 40 40 20 20.

I know I said I was going to run this cycle already, but I didn't list the doseage of the prop I was going to take. Sound SOLID?

Is not running HCG in this cycle a bad thing?

 

[glubgawd]

This cycle I am going to do 100mg prop eod[400mg/wk] wk 1 - 8, with 30mg dbol 1-4.

I know math seems tough and boring at the middle school level, but stick with it little guy. Word on the street is that math is actually useful.

100mg prop eod = 7 injections every 2 weeks. That is 700mg every 2 weeks.....now try dividing that by 2 for us. *hint* 400 is NOT the correct answer.

Now if you need help counting to 30mg of dbol, let me know.