the cytogainer is the only thing about that that sounds good. all that other stuff is garbage. and way overpriced. youd be better off saving the money off the stuff and investing in food and more food. the only supps most would reccomend for bulking would be protein, clean food, a mulit vit,and maybe some efa's. remember to K.I.S.S= (keep it simple stupid). did i mention food, lots of it.