gyno..need some pro advice

youngandpoor

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i have some residual gyno thats been hanging around. nothing crazy serious, but annoying and slightly painful.

my questions are:
should i choose letro and if so, what dosage for how long? i hear .5mg per week e3d?
if letro, i hear i should supp test along side to counter the sides. if so, dosage/how long? 200mg per wk?
what should i think about there?
can i choose to take letro on cycle or should i get rid of the residual gyno first before i start again?
anything else?

thanks bros!
 
i have had gyno and the surgery to remove it. if the nips are sore and puffy its the time to take letro. if the lumps are hard, its too late for letro. once the tissue hardens only surgery can remove it. so if the lumps arent rock hard yet you can try letro
 
Running letro to reverse gyno:
I am going to go over the three different scenarios which people could fit into. Remember regardless of what scenario you are in it is important that you begin taking the letro ASAP.

SCENARIOS :
1. Already using an anti-e aside from letro.
2. Already using letro @ a dose of .25mg or .50mg ED.
3. Not running any estrogen protection.

1.
Day 1: .25mg Letro + anti-e*
Day 2: .50mg Letro
Day 3: 1.0mg Letro
Day 4: 1.5mg Letro
Day 5: 2.0mg Letro
Day 6: 2.5mg Letro **

2.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

3.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

*Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already prevalent.

** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.

Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg
 
this realy is a protocol if u are getting gyno on cycle , but this is suggested use on how to do it , this may help you if u wish to try it
 
this realy is a protocol if u are getting gyno on cycle , but this is suggested use on how to do it , this may help you if u wish to try it

thanks. so i am currently off cylce. should i choose to run letro alone off cylce or with some test to help with sides from letro? OR* should i start my next cycle and apply the letro there, to which i will incorporate aromasin/clomid/caber?
 
Running letro to reverse gyno:
I am going to go over the three different scenarios which people could fit into. Remember regardless of what scenario you are in it is important that you begin taking the letro ASAP.

SCENARIOS :
1. Already using an anti-e aside from letro.
2. Already using letro @ a dose of .25mg or .50mg ED.
3. Not running any estrogen protection.

1.
Day 1: .25mg Letro + anti-e*
Day 2: .50mg Letro
Day 3: 1.0mg Letro
Day 4: 1.5mg Letro
Day 5: 2.0mg Letro
Day 6: 2.5mg Letro **

2.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

3.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

*Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already prevalent.

** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.

Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg


Great protocol to FOLLOW!!
 
theres only so much you can do with gyno. like i said i went to a doctor for it so i know. you can dose it like fancyhuh101 suggest and MAYBE it will get better but if its harden your only option is surgery. good luck
 
i still have this question.

so i am currently off cylce. should i choose to run letro alone off cylce or with some test to help with sides from letro? OR* should i start my next cycle and apply the letro there, to which i will incorporate aromasin/clomid/caber?
 
You need to run a serm with your letro. I have actually had success in shrinking already hard lumps...from a large marble size to a very small lump. It is possible..
 
i still have this question.

so i am currently off cycle. should i choose to run letro alone off cylce or with some test to help with sides from letro? OR* should i start my next cycle and apply the letro there, to which i will incorporate aromasin/clomid/caber?
 
i still have this question.

so i am currently off cycle. should i choose to run letro alone off cylce or with some test to help with sides from letro? OR* should i start my next cycle and apply the letro there, to which i will incorporate aromasin/clomid/caber?

Why not do this. Run a serm like tamoxifen or raloxifene off cycle and continue it right on into your cycle but add in an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on cycle to control estrogen like say exemestane.
 
id say this , if u dont run it with test , u will probably feel like shit , however if u run it with test , u will still feel like shit plus u will probably hinder alot of your gains due to low estrogen , id say the choice is yours . if u already had the gyno for so long , waiting until next cycle wont make a big difference besides the fact that u will probably miss out on some gains , if i were you and i realy wanted to do it , i would do it now without test, if u do choose to do it on the cycle follow the protocol , u WONT be running another Aromatase inhibitor (AI) while u are doing this protocol , only letro , u WONT incorporate aromasin until u are done this protocol and begin running aromasin as your on cycle Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for the rest of cycle
 
you should check Austinite's protocol too.. According to him letro is not really wise choice.

Contrary.

Letrozole is an aromatase inhibitor. One of the most powerful aromatase inhibitors available today. Far too many people are considering this method because many moons ago it was touted as a good tool for reversal. We've learned a lot since then and Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators (SERM) studies on gynecomastia reversal are readily available for confirmation.

I did a short experiment myself recently when my E2 came back at 46 pg/mL (Range < 29 for a sensitive E2 assay). I did not experience gynecomastia, but I wanted to bring that down back to range. The increase was likely due to switching my Testosterone Therapy administrations from subcutaneous (SubQ) to intramuscular (IM). IM injections have more of an impact on E2 due to faster absorption. This result came about on July 2nd. I had a Letrozole prescription laying around and figured I'd give it a go. It's been so long since I've used Letrozole. My prescription was for 100 microgram capsules.

I administered 100 mcg. (Micrograms) daily. After the 10th day I felt miserable and so I discontinued use. One week after I stopped, I tested E2 again and it came back 2 pg/mL. Remember, this is a full week after Letrozole was discontinued. So it had to be at zero, or "too low to count" for several days. I was bedridden for several days. Completely useless and couldn't find a reason to get up and about. If you've killed your E2 before, you know exactly what I mean. I don't wish this on anyone. Really amazes me that some folks are running this thing using milligram after milligram several times per week. And these "Gynecomastia Reversal" threads using these astronomical doses are just mind boggling. Pretty eye opening once again. Anyway, I waited a while and got back on DIM.

The entire letrozole for gynecomastia reversal came about in 2001 when a study was published. This study was done on mice, not humans. So don't be a mouse, be a man. PMID: 11850204 if you want to look it up.

To give you an example of how low this drug is supposed to be dosed, it was studied in extremely obese hypogonadal men. Overweight men convert far more estrogen than non-overweight men. This is because they carry far more aromatase enzymes. Using Letrozole, these highly aromatizing men were treated with doses of 2mg to 2.5mg once per week. If we break that up, you're looking at about 285 micrograms per day. That's it. This powerful drug never, under any circumstances should be used in a milligram + basis on a daily administered protocol. It is simply outrageous. Reference here.

Let's look at some more recent studies:


Dated: 2011 - Effects of aromatase inhibition on male breast


Tamoxifen was much more effective, however, in the prevention of gynecomastia in these men. Due to these disappointing results, aromatase inhibitors are not recommended as a first-line treatment for gynecomastia in men.


Dated: 2004 - Beneficial effects of raloxifene and tamoxifen in the treatment of pubertal gynecomastia



Inhibition of estrogen receptor action in the breast appears to be safe and effective in reducing persistent pubertal gynecomastia, with a better response to raloxifene than to tamoxifen. No side effects were seen in any patients.



Dated: 2004 - Management of physiological gynaecomastia with tamoxifen


Thirty-six men accepted tamoxifen for physiological gynaecomastia. They were offered oral tamoxifen 20mg once daily for 6-12 weeks. Oral tamoxifen is an effective treatment for physiological gynaecomastia, especially for the lump type.



So we've learned a couple things here. We know that an Aromatase Inhibitor is a poor choice, and we also learned that SERM's are more effective, safer and with no side effects. Lastly, we learned that while Tamoxifen is effective, it is superseded by the superior SERM; Raloxifene.

Aromatase inhibitors are not selective and will demolish your estradiol levels with prolonged use, rendering you miserable and useless. In the case of Letrozole, you could deplete your E2 levels to nothing in no time. SERMs like Tamoxifen and Raloxifene are pure antagonist in the E receptor in breast tissue. This is what mainly makes a SERM the clinically preferred drug for gynecomastia reversal.

TO REVERSE GYNECOMASTIA WITH SERMS:

Raloxifene: 60mg daily. You should see improvement in approx. 4 to 6 weeks. If not increase by 20 mg for every 3 weeks, never to exceed 100mg daily.

Tamoxifen: 40mg daily for once week. Then 20mg daily until gynecomastia is reversed.

Both protocols above will take time. This is not a 2 week process. Reversal will require patience. But it most certainly is effective, side-effect-free and cost incredibly effective when compared to surgery.

orginal post:
steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/655887-i-think-i-might-have-gyno-use-nolvadex-now-wait-till-pct.html#post3378039
 
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I'm using 60mg raloxifene and .5mg letro ED at the moment on cycle to bring flaring down. Also .5mg caber twice a week. I hate crashing estro.
 
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