Hair loss with first cycle

[trose05]

I am about to start my first cycle...I'm 34 years old, 5"11, 180 lbs, 8% bodyfat per testing (although i don't see how it's possible - i think i'm more like 10-12%), i've been lifting most of my adult life...been eating like a pig...but very clean...6 times a day at least every 3 hours...high protein, good carbs, low fat, etc...

my goals for my first cycle are: 1. gain mass that i'll retain...don't need to gain a crazy amount of weight...2. get more lean...3. most importantly, I AM MOST CONCERNED WITH HAIR LOSS (i've been taking propecia for over a year)...i'm going to keep taking propecia throughout...

I wanted to do a standard test cyp/deca cycle but in anabolics 2007 it states that deca and propecia are not a good mix...the propecia apparently makes the side effects of deca worse...

so what should i use for my first stack? and what dosages and for how long? thank you!!

 

[HeHateMe]

I'd go with test @ 300mg/wk for ten weeks. I'd also use topical spironolactone daily (twice if possible), and wash with nizoral shampoo 2-3x weekly. With the addition of these precautionary measures, I doubt you'll notice much, if anything, as far as accelerated hair loss/thinning is concerned especially since you're already running fin.

 

[trose05]

Thanks for your feedback. I keep hearing that I should be stacking test with something else. How much muscle can I expect to gain and what can I expect to keep if i run test by itself (with propecia of course)? Can I expect to get more lean as well on test only? What else could I run with test without getting hairloss? What would happen if i run equopois with it? or anavar? or are there other suggestions? Thank you!

 

[HeHateMe]

Thanks for your feedback. I keep hearing that I should be stacking test with something else. How much muscle can I expect to gain and what can I expect to keep if i run test by itself (with propecia of course)? Can I expect to get more lean as well on test only? What else could I run with test without getting hairloss? What would happen if i run equopois with it? or anavar? or are there other suggestions? Thank you!

Since it's your first cycle, just stick to test. There's no logical reason to stack your first time around as you will not be able to gauge what compound is doing what (as far as gains and sides).

Becoming leaner has more to do with diet than anything else. Eat clean and your gains will be clean.

Individual gains will vary from person to person, but 15 lbs is certainly within reach. You can keep a significant portion of your gains by incorporating a proper post cycle therapy (pct) protocol (I prefer clomid). I also like Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during the cycle itself at a small bi-weekly dosage.

Run a test/eq or a test/var cycle as your second cycle.

Hope this helps.

 

[lilsj]

agreed and for future reference you could use eq in place of the deca..

 

[trose05]

good points. i understand what you guys are saying. i am not arguing with you at all - just want to make sure i completely get it...will a large part of the possible 15 lb gain be water weight? that is why i was thinking of doing something with it like eq so i can get more gains that i could actually keep. what are your thoughts on that? if you guys still think i should only do test please let me know how much i should do, how long, and how much i should expect to keep when i'm done...if i add something what would give me better gains while also being gentle on my hairline? eq or Anavar (var)? will they give me saim gains or would i get more weight gain from the eq? thank you!!

 

[simpllyhuge]

well with the test u can use dutastride so thats a big benefit, i can controll the hairloss factor with that one and it takes out the guess work on your presious hair follicles. i would go up to 500 of test, the dutastride can always be increased
dutastride or finastride should be researched alittle thou, u gotta understand allitle about what they do to test before u use them so u can judge how u feel

also u might need some aromasin since using dutastride might allow estrogen to get high, but others who use it could tell u better than i could

 

[Hacksquater]

good points. i understand what you guys are saying. i am not arguing with you at all - just want to make sure i completely get it...will a large part of the possible 15 lb gain be water weight? that is why i was thinking of doing something with it like eq so i can get more gains that i could actually keep. what are your thoughts on that? if you guys still think i should only do test please let me know how much i should do, how long, and how much i should expect to keep when i'm done...if i add something what would give me better gains while also being gentle on my hairline? eq or Anavar (var)? will they give me saim gains or would i get more weight gain from the eq? thank you!!

If you are totally primed, meaning doing everything perfect, and training like a madman already, then even 300mg TEST might give you very good gains. But if you are just wanting to see excellent gains then 500mg would be fine for 10-12 weekd stacked with another that you mentioned. Even alone, if you are primed, it would be great. I too am dealing with a hair issue and on another forum there is a great thread to check out. Just PM me and I'll get that thread to you.