Hard HPTA shutdown and post cycle recovery?

[!@#$%^&]

I know deca and fina shut down your HPTA hard. I have a friend on deca, and i am going to be using fina in mine, so we are in a similar situation. He got me thinkin.

He said since deca shuts you down so hard, he is planning on stopping deca 2 weeks from the end of his test, so its out of his system way before clomid therapy while the test is in there a little longer. Will this help for better recovery?

 

[xtinct]

I don't know whether you planned on using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), but after a Deca and/or Fina cycle, you should definitely use it. Also, whereas 4 weeks seems to be standard for post cycle clomid, after a fina or deca cycle, I would bump that up to at least 6 weeks. In the end, the it's all a matter of finding out how your body responds. You should get your T levels tested about a week after you finish the clomid. Maybe you are one of the lucky few who don't have any problems recovering from these drugs.

 

[ready2explode]

Another good post xtinct. Just to expand, again lol, stopping the deca 2 weeks early is smart, but also not always the best idea because it is so long acting. If you're doing a 10 week cycle, and only using it for 8, you're not using it to the best of its characteristics. Now if someone is set on doing a 20 week cycle (not saying its healthy), deca for 12 weeks of that would be great.

I am going to disagree a lil with xtinct about how much fina shuts you down. I do believe it shuts you down harder than deca while you're on it (actually its proven), but it is easier than deca because it is so short acting. Deca is long acting, it loves to re-esterfy which is evident in its long detection times. Therefore, deca negatively effects htpa much more than fina.

 

[LAWNSAVER]

If your cycle is going to have deca, fina in it or be 10 weeks or longer, I would run 500-750IUs every 4th day throughout your cycle. This will prevent any atrophy from setting in. This is much better than taking the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during the last 2 weeks of a cycle as you will be trying to revert the atrophy, which is some cases wont revert. If you take same doses all the way through, you wont have any atrophy to worry about. The same doses will keep a synthetic LH signal going to your testicles. This will result in your testicles not shrinking.

I hate deca for this very reason and will never use it again. I used Tren in my last cycle and with the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) being taken as I wrote above, I never got any atrophy and my HPTA therapy has been going well!

 

[!@#$%^&]

oK, well i was planning on running the fina 6-10 with the test, then the 2 week half life period between enanthate and clomid therapy becuase it is short acting, and i can just start clomid 2 days after last fina shot. How would you incorporate Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) into this to help better, and what would you do along with clomid (excluding GH, $$)? I was thinkin usin slin to help hold it till i fully recover.

Is the blood testing covered by aetna insurance?

 

[LAWNSAVER]

oK, well i was planning on running the fina 6-10 with the test, then the 2 week half life period between enanthate and clomid therapy becuase it is short acting, and i can just start clomid 2 days after last fina shot. How would you incorporate Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) into this to help better, and what would you do along with clomid (excluding GH, $$)? I was thinkin usin slin to help hold it till i fully recover.

Is the blood testing covered by aetna insurance?

I just explained how to incorperate Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) into every cycle in the most productive way! This way to administer Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) was introduced by Swale!

 

[!@#$%^&]

Thanx Lawn, i seem to have a problem with posting at the same time as others lol. Didint see your post til after i posted mine, was writing it while u posted yours.

Will do with the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), thanx for the advice!

 

[bigdelt69]

I am sure it is. Could be wrong though. I would def include the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in the last 2 weeks if you have been running tren. Clomid will get you going again but the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will make it easier. I am not a fan of running it during cycles, esp to the extent that Lawnsaver recomends. I would be worried that much Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) would desinsitize the testes to lh thus making recovery harder. Although Lawnsaver does have some good reasons for this idea.

 

[ready2explode]

If your cycle is going to have deca, fina in it or be 10 weeks or longer, I would run 500-750IUs every 4th day throughout your cycle.

This number is high...the 3-500 ius every 5 day range is better.

This is much better than taking the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during the last 2 weeks of a cycle as you will be trying to revert the atrophy, which is some cases wont revert.

I'd love some proof of this. I've never heard someone claim this before.

 

[minitor2]

bump

i want some more opinions on this, as to why after the cycle u dont revert the atrophy from fina cause right now i have it and i dont really wanna start Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for the whole cycle causei dont have enough but also i dont want to desenitise myself either.

minitor2

 

[ready2explode]

I've never seen any evidence that testicular atrophy was permanent. I honestly wouldnt believe it until I saw some evidence (waitin on ya lawn saver).

If I were you, I'd fill water size vial of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) I had with 14ccs of water, and shoot that ED (hopefully ya have at least 5000ius, if not try n get more next cycle).

 

[bigdelt69]

ready2explode- I can assure you Lawnsaver does indeed have evidence! I just dont know if you want to see it

Lawnsaver, its time to explain the story one more time.

 

[LAWNSAVER]

This number is high...the 3-500 ius every 5 day range is better.

I'd love some proof of this. I've never heard someone claim this before.

Hum...well it happens all over the world! It happened to me.

And 500-750ius every 4th day is right on the money! So if you want to come down and feel my right testicle for the proof, I am available anytime for an examination.

Anyway...I really dont think this should be a debate. ts only common sense.

Do you wait for your engine to have problems before you change the oil? No...you change the oil as a preventitive measure so the the engine runs well.

Its the same pricipal...take small doses throughout( 500-750ius every 4th day will not desesitize you at all) and this will prevent the atrophy from ever setting in. Why wait to revert it if you can prevent it. Do we wait for gyno and then try to fix it? No, we use something to prevent it!

 

[minitor2]

hummmm

lawnsaver u have a good point. i think its time to get my balls back into action. oh and order more Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) LOL thanks guys i think ill give it a shot im on my third week and my balls have gone into hibernation for the winter

minitor2

 

[ready2explode]

So in other words, you have no proof...thats what I thought.

And, I have a study for you why the 3-500 range is better...will post it tomorrow bro...you can count on that.

 

[bigdelt69]

Lawnsaver just tell the fucking story already!!

 

[Melampus...]

What...?

So in other words, you have no proof...thats what I thought.

And, I have a study for you why the 3-500 range is better...will post it tomorrow bro...you can count on that.

What, like a study is proof!? Come on! That's about as dumb as believing the chemical analysis read-outs from people promoting their juice. Yes, it's a 50mg Winstrol (winny) tab that tested @ 49.6mg by an independent facility... twice.

 

[dragon06]

In my cycle, could I just wait until I feel my nuts hurt or whatever before I use hcg.

 

[LAWNSAVER]

In my cycle, could I just wait until I feel my nuts hurt or whatever before I use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG).

Sure you could, but why wait? Why not just use it to prevent anything from happening? Its easy, the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will last 30 days in the frig, and the shots are easy!

You can wait, but why take the chance.

 

[LAWNSAVER]

So in other words, you have no proof...thats what I thought.

And, I have a study for you why the 3-500 range is better...will post it tomorrow bro...you can count on that.

WTF??? I just told you it happened to me. I have irreversible testicular atrophy that happen during a cycle which included deca. I have since stopped using deca and have increased myt doses over the years and I have never gotten any more atrophy. To me this tells me that deca caused it.

Why dont you email Swale, which is a doctor, and a member here and he will explain to you that sometimes testicles wont come back!

Now, I would love to see any medical report that states that 300ius is more effective and will cause less desensitation to the testicles than 500-750ius. I am sure this report doesnt exsist!

And dont bark at me and tell me I'm wrong, when this is truelly a experimental practice. Why would they even do a test that will give us a scientific report to verify your statements.

We are the test subjects and since I have started taking Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) the way I have written, I have never had my nuts shrink in the least and I recover so much better!