hard time injecting.... tips?

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imdennis

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the whole process is pretty much smooth when i pin myself i can aspirate etc just fine, only issue i have is when i pin into my delt, is that i have a hard time pushing down on the plunger, this usually happens on my bad hand injections and i just tend to get a roommate or gf to just push down on the plunger, its not that im weak or anything either, i just cant seem to get the proper hand positioning, it happens with my good hand too when i do myself, some times ill push on it fairly easy and then other times i feel like it takes superman to push the damn thing, curious anyone got any advice on making it easier to push the syringe in? maybe some hand position? didnt have this issue with glute but since i like delts and gotta keep mixing the shoulders up difficulty happens :P, when i wiggle it around theres no pain nor does blood ever come gushing out, any tips?
 
Cross your arms and hold your pinning arm's elbow with your other hand. This not only provides stability, but also keeps you from moving the needle around which can lead to pip.

My .02c :)
 
halfwit said:
Cross your arms and hold your pinning arm's elbow with your other hand. This not only provides stability, but also keeps you from moving the needle around which can lead to pip.

My .02c :)
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i got pinned already so wont need it till saturday, im trying this out with just like an imaginary needle to see if i can get the position right and i dont think i quite understand what'ca mean like, like the way i normally did it was i just relaxed my whole arm, spray it with alcohol, wipe it with cotton swap, use my other hand to stick it in, goes fine then i aspirate and see air, which is the go light, and then pushing in the plunger is what becomes some what annoying and difficult, it becomes pretty uncomfortable pushing in the plunger at times, while other times its just a smooth process
 
imdennis said:
i got pinned already so wont need it till saturday, im trying this out with just like an imaginary needle to see if i can get the position right and i dont think i quite understand what'ca mean like, like the way i normally did it was i just relaxed my whole arm, spray it with alcohol, wipe it with cotton swap, use my other hand to stick it in, goes fine then i aspirate and see air, which is the go light, and then pushing in the plunger is what becomes some what annoying and difficult, it becomes pretty uncomfortable pushing in the plunger at times, while other times its just a smooth process
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Ok, so I pinned this morning in my left delt as I'm giving my quads a break so I don't build up too much scar tissue. My left arm is bent and my left hand (across my body, under my right pec) presses up against my right elbow (kind of like how you can stretch your lats individually) which pushes my right hand up past my left shoulder. I find this helps me to relax my delts (probably psychological) and allows me to have more dexterity since I'm not focusing on steadying the needle at the proper angle. I do not aspirate as I've been told by many it is not needed for IM injections (both nurses and doctors) and is slowly being phased out currently in med schools. I even leave some air in to "conserve" test as the air forces the rest of the oil down the needle. :p

With regards to having a hard time pressing the plunger, the only time I really have any issues is when I'm trying to force oil into scar tissue. It's pretty rare, and there's definitely a "rock wall" feeling on the back of the plunger. Other than that, I have zero issues pinning delts. Do you keep your test at room temp or heat it? If you keep it in a cool spot, you might try heating it - that can help.


3rdinfintry said:
No reason to pin anywhere but Glutes in my opinion
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Well, if you pin in only one location over and over and over, you're going to build up scar tissue. It's inevitable since you are forcibly poking holes into your tissue which has to heal. There's a spot on my right quad that's pretty tough that I try to avoid since it takes FOREVER to get through. For the casual cycler, I'm sure it's not a big deal - but when you're pinning 2x-3x a week for the rest of your life, you want to try to keep from doing more damage than necessary. Ask some of the guys on here that pin several grams of short esters a cycle how many spots they use, I bet it's in spots you'd never think of. :p
 
ill try ur idea on saturday and tell u how it goes, if it fails ill just get someone to push down on the plunger :P and then switch back t glutes
 
I AGREE with Halfwit, no need to aspirate, I've had a many needle from heath care professionals IM injections and not one of them ever aspirated a needle, as for your problem with the delt injects, practice... practice and more practice, soon you will be a pro at it and massive lol!!
 
when I do delts, the arm thats getting pinned has forearm resting across my lap.
I try to grab the syringe at the very back as it makes it easier to aspirate once in since its a shorter movent of the hand to the plunger.
 
E-Volve said:
when I do delts, the arm thats getting pinned has forearm resting across my lap.
I try to grab the syringe at the very back as it makes it easier to aspirate once in since its a shorter movent of the hand to the plunger.
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I jsut have my girl do it lol
 
ridgeback said:
I AGREE with Halfwit, no need to aspirate, I've had a many needle from heath care professionals IM injections and not one of them ever aspirated a needle, as for your problem with the delt injects, practice... practice and more practice, soon you will be a pro at it and massive lol!
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yeah the keyword here is HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONAL. He is not a professional and neither are many here, so I don't get why people use this damn logic. Because doctors and medical professionals that have had some kind of medical schooling, don't do it, that means everybody is in the same boat? That is just crazy, I don't get how people can think like that.

There's a lot of people here that have drawn blood. I have drawn blood as well, that's why I always aspirate and if you are NOT a PROFESSIONAL then you should too.
 
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as for the plunger being hard to push, that has happened to me also for delt injections. i was told to leave some air in the syringe, and that has helped me. don't worry you're not going to die with air in your syringe, you have to inject like a full 1 CC of air right into your vein for it to kill you, look it up.
 
3ct said:
yeah the keyword here is HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONAL. He is not a professional and neither are many here, so I don't get why people use this damn logic. Because doctors and medical professionals that have had some kind of medical schooling, don't do it, that means everybody is in the same boat? That is just crazy, I don't get how people can think like that.

There's a lot of people here that have drawn blood. I have drawn blood as well, that's why I always aspirate and if you are NOT a PROFESSIONAL then you should too.
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No disrespect intended, but just because I don't have DocName for a handle doesn't mean I haven't been exposed to some medical training. While I'm indeed not a doctor nor do I have an occupation in the health industry, you shouldn't assume that I'm just some gymrat with a lot of time on my hands being spent reading forums. (I went through EMT-B and Paramedic-I class in the 90's when I was going to be a firefighter-paramedic, which DOES handle some injections in the state I lived in.) I do completely agree that there is a difference between watching a doctor/nurse inject without aspirating, and being TOLD that it is not necessary. In fact, the only place I still see the practice of aspiration being parroted is on steroid forums - take from that what you will.

Before I continue, I DO want to stress that I am in no way telling folks how to treat their bodies nor am I indicating that I am a doctor/nurse/etc. I felt that I would comment on this subject since it comes up all the time and seeing it parroted time and time again when I've been told many times by those that are trained that it is incorrect. In fact, before I was allowed to take my testosterone home for self-injections for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), I was tested on my technique and knowledge of IM injections including having two nurses watch me do it myself in my doctor's back office. I was corrected the first time since I did aspirate and was told that it is not needed due to the location of the injection as well as the nature of the injection. I had been trained a long time ago that it IS necessary, so I too questioned this and went to medical sites where there are literally hundreds of nurses learning this new edict by the US Dept of Health. In case folks think I'm making this up and are too lazy to google it, I thought I'd show some relevant slides from an actual health care presentation regarding this. If you want to view the presentation in its entirety you can by visiting: http://www.stti.iupui.edu/pp07/vancouver09/41810.Crawford, Cecelia L.-F 10.pdf

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It is because of this information as well as the fact I have been INSTRUCTED NOT to aspirate (it's supposed to be a 5-10 second draw if you do btw) that I feel comfortable telling folks that I don't. Again, I am not telling others not to, as I do not have the authority to do so - but I am sharing the fact that aspiration is no longer indicated as necessary by the Department of Health as well as many other organizations. There is a very similar thread on here that shows this exact information with links to the actual decisions, but I can't find it as the search button gives me a million threads about how someone fucked up their aspiration or they are scared since there is blood spraying like a geyser from their ass.

My .02c :)

TL;DR Version: While 3ct is right that bro-science can be dangerous, by stating that I do not aspirate (as I have been instructed NOT to as well as the Department of Health indicating it is not needed) for IM injections does NOT mean I am telling other readers that they shouldn't aspirate. If it makes you feel safer, by all means - do it. :)
 
im not going to stop aspirating :P its my health and if i believe that im safer aspirating then im going to do it :P u guys are getting too into thiss :P
 
Yep, that's why I said if it makes you feel better/safer - go for it. :p I just don't like people thinking I'm making shit up, know-what-I-sayin'?
 
You could always try to exhale before you do it. In a sense it will deflate you possibly giving you the extra leverage to reach around more for better hand control....
 
i had my girlfriend at the time (my ex now) on the phone lol and when i jabbed myself i didnt make a noise all i said was oh and she was like what happened and i was like that was painless then it took days to get it in and then i pulled out no blood nothing felt better then any nurse or doc. the second time though my left glute now thats another story lol
 
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