Help, have suffered from insomnia for many years.

[Mr P]

So I have suffered from insomnia for many years. Like the 30 % of Americans that suffer from sleep problems I have tried many remedies most have failed. In the past I have tried peptides that have helped me with my sleep patterns and quality of sleep. Although finding a reliable source for peptides has become quite hard. I consulted my doctor from Entourage and he suggested Sermorelin therapy. Its been years that I stopped peptides but Sermorelin seems to be very promising in it's ability to improve sleep cycle and quality.
So what's your take on this, please help.

 

[Mad- scientist]

I have insomnia pretty bad sometimes so I understand how much it sucks. Sermorelin sounds like it could help initially but my only concern would be once you stop will your insomnia be worse with out it? I've found my body gets use to any sleep promoting supplement or medication I take pretty fast. Sermorelin sounds great for bodybuilding purposes and would probably compliment TRT very well. My only concern would be what happens when you eventually stop or develop a tolerance?

 

[Mr P]

Good point Mad Scientist, I see what your saying, with Sermorelin most people can use the treatment for a loading period of up to 6 months, and afterward the body usually maintains a high level of human growth hormone production. As far as tolerance, since Sermorelin's goal is to release the body's own growth hormone in a natural and safe manner, since it acts higher in the hormones than HGH, the body can control the release of Sermorelin better and limit the production of HGH.

Because Sermorelin acts higher in the hormone cascade than HGH, the body has more mechanisms to control the function and release of Sermorelin, and thus limit the production of HGH if the hypothalamus receives an adequate signal. When HGH is injected into the body, it is absorbed and put to use immediately, and there are few mechanisms in place to limit the activity of HGH in the blood stream. I know there's no"easy cure" for insomnia, and I see what your saying about tolerance. Sermorelin it's not like HGH and since it acts on the pituitary gland in a way that mimics the natural workings of the body and the normal naturally occurring release of HGH is episodic throughout the day. Sermorelin works in a similar episodic way, there is no "tolerance" issue and therefore no loss of potency even after a period of long use, and the pituitary gland regulates the stimulation by Sermorelin which in turn causes the pituitary gland to rejuvenate.
So as far as a better option than HGH which can over stimulate, I rather go with Sermorelin since it has much lower side effects.
Hopefully some others that have had experience with this can help out and give us feedback.

 

[oldmusclemike]

(I don't have much of an understanding of what you guys are speaking of as far as the sleep aids. Due to so many things in my life , mental and physical I have big sleep problems.

BI-polar mania, stress, AAS cycles, some hereditary things , I can many nights see the clock EVERY hour. Seriously at an every hour interval. Wake up, go pee or sit up in bed for a few minutes only to fall over and back to sleep for an hour. This pattern going on 6,7,8 timed a night.

Long ago I took Valium and it helped but now a recovering drug addict forget that. Melanoma no good. My Trazadone is good except if I take enough to really sleep, well fuck going to the gym the next day.

I have met with the Medical MJ doctors and have been approved for medicinal MJ and am currently awaiting the state to process my license. The CBD hemp oil I will get is for pain and has little to NO THC, but just enough that this is NOT over the counter legal CBD oil. But this doesn't not get a person "high"... OK !

They will also script another oil THC/Cannabis oil . This of course IS NOT LEGAL without a state license in which I am getting. This THC oil is specifically for Appetite, Anxiety, and Sleep. This oil can and will get a person somewhat high, ( like smoking weed) and so ergo the attributes that will help in sleep.

I am an old rec smoker so all inclusive this might be good for me. At age 66 I have NO appetite ( ??) even on cycle, with any compounds , EQ nope... nothing is stimulating my appetite. AND so hence I must also find something to help with sleep.

Anyway hope you guys can wish me the best with all this. I'm tired with no sleep, no gym energy , anxiety and no appetite to feed my cycles.

Gotta laugh I do lean cycles...

 

[SoHo]

i have insomnia/trouble falling asleep at a normal time since i can remember.

tried many things.. melatonin never helped, neither did cannabis. never tried sermorelin though.. it is a bit similar to HGH though

and the only time i was able to maintain a normal sleeping schedule was when i was on pharmacuetil grade HGH.. or pills (xanax, klonopin, ambien). i stay away from benzos and sleeping pills and all pills in general, but i do take them when i absolutely need them. not fun to be a slave to a pill that just makes you fall asleep.

 

[oldmusclemike]

It isn't fun to be a slave to the drugs / pills and in some cases people loose everything and more to addictions. Problem for me is years ago during my addictions I didn't like Valium. But, However it was a good sleep aide for me along with some Cannabis.

I never had a problem abusing Valium but since I was an addict they say no, oh no you cant have that. IN my case this was not true or good because I have never had good sleep since they took it away. Never ever will they let me try under supervision. They want to fill me with antihistamines that have horrific sides. Sleep deprivation with me just fucks me up as with most. But the doctors don't care, crap just don't give Mikey Valium. Bastards...

Well I just hope this Medicinal CBD and THC / Cannabis oil will help , ME ! ?

Sorry MR P not to hijack your thread. I just wanted to share about my sleep problems. Thank God I have done good with 4-6 hours a day most of my life... ( Bi-Polar Mania has some good attributes .. LOL) But hmmm it's getting harder as I approach 70'

 

[Manski]

Commercial

 

[AverageMan]

How much is pharama Sermorelin going for these days? affordable like TRT?

 

[Mr P]

A month treatment Sermorelin can run cheaper than 2 (10 ml 200 mg bottle of testosterone cypionate, that is way cheaper than HGH and same effect as hgh, fact Sermorelin is replacing hgh with same benefit.
hgh has it's major sides rather with Sermorelin sides are irritation in the pinning area, increase appetite, sleep longer & deeper without interruptions through out the night, wake up with a pep and steady energy through out the day, burn and melts fat like hgh does, concentration and better memorrie, recover from workouts and all the benefit from hgh..

 

[oldmusclemike]

Commercial

bump ....

 

[Mr P]

sounds like a commercial with truth in prescribe sermorelin, it may be funny to some but serious to us that suffer from insomnia, please I ask you to man up and don't hijack this serious thread, we are learning the most we can from this pharma grade peptide.

joking around only distracts people on the Internet looking for the right Info, by distracting them from reading good info only offends those on the internet, looking bad as a troll with nothing good to inform all your doing is making a joke out of your low IQ..

please respect those who are working hard to help freely those who need help, I have to say if you don't have anything constructive to say about what we are talkingt about please don't look bad by hijacking this thread with worthless jokes..

thank you

 

[Mr P]

I placed by order today with my Doctor B from Entourage on my banner in my signature, he informed me my package will arrive by Monday...

 

[oldmusclemike]

sounds like a commercial with truth in prescribe sermorelin, it may be funny to some but serious to us that suffer from insomnia, please I ask you to man up and don't hijack this serious thread, we are learning the most we can from this pharma grade peptide.

joking around only distracts people on the Internet looking for the right Info, by distracting them from reading good info only offends those on the internet, looking bad as a troll with nothing good to inform all your doing is making a joke out of your low IQ..

please respect those who are working hard to help freely those who need help, I have to say if you don't have anything constructive to say about what we are talkingt about please don't look bad by hijacking this thread with worthless jokes..

thank you

Hey Mr P I wasn't hijacking. I mentioned that. I thought my post was just some input as to my insomnia problems. I didn't really understand the commercial post. I will delete my posts if need.0

I tell too many personal stories.

 

[Mr P]

not you old school I was referring to Manski , pleaase go on, your good

 

[Mr P]

It isn't fun to be a slave to the drugs / pills and in some cases people loose everything and more to addictions. Problem for me is years ago during my addictions I didn't like Valium. But, However it was a good sleep aide for me along with some Cannabis.

I never had a problem abusing Valium but since I was an addict they say no, oh no you cant have that. IN my case this was not true or good because I have never had good sleep since they took it away. Never ever will they let me try under supervision. They want to fill me with antihistamines that have horrific sides. Sleep deprivation with me just fucks me up as with most. But the doctors don't care, crap just don't give Mikey Valium. Bastards...

Well I just hope this Medicinal CBD and THC / Cannabis oil will help , ME ! ?

Sorry MR P not to hijack your thread. I just wanted to share about my sleep problems. Thank God I have done good with 4-6 hours a day most of my life... ( Bi-Polar Mania has some good attributes .. LOL) But hmmm it's getting harder as I approach 70'

CBD has bad reviews I hear negative info that it doesn't work, Cannabis wil only alter more anxiety and paranoia, I don't do it since I have no Interest now at 45 smoking Creepy or any of it's derivatives..
if you benefit from that by so continue to since you will feel good on it, I just rather not put anything of a smoke in my body for Religious purposes and to keep a clean conscience with my lord..

 

[oldmusclemike]

CBD has bad reviews I hear negative info that it doesn't work, Cannabis wil only alter more anxiety and paranoia, I don't do it since I have no Interest now at 45 smoking Creepy or any of it's derivatives..
if you benefit from that by so continue to since you will feel good on it, I just rather not put anything of a smoke in my body for Religious purposes and to keep a clean conscience with my lord..

I respect what you say 100%.YOU know we are all different. I never smoked ciggs but I did as a hippy smoke my pot. I stopped that years ago due to my other drug use and 20yr Opiate addiction, hell weed didn't effect me then. 6 years clean from that. I know what you mean about cannabis paranoia. Yea it can then make anxiety increase.

To cut thru this, cause we can't continue rec drug talk on here. I just wanna say I have a need to try it. Believe me or not , I have the need for the positive attributes it has been recorded to have, hence I'm gonna try it. Sometimes we gotta do what we gotta do.

I have only the need for the positive attributes. AND I think my Lord is on my side to do what I have to do to control my psychosis Mr P they are real and many others have suffered as well as myself from these disorders in which I try to deal with. No one can understand unless they have walked in my shoes.

I have told you all of the positive places I've been in life and only to reduced over the years to... only well.... fuck enough said. God Damn I try. But NO sympathy for the Devil.

OK back to your thread.

 

[T-RexAlpha]

Have you ever tried AMBIEN? By Grindex

Brand: Grindex

Box Size: 20 tabs

Dosages: 7.5mgs/tab

Powerful sleeping aid

Some more info:

What is Ambien?

Ambien (zolpidem) is a sedative, also called a hypnotic. Zolpidem affects chemicals in the brain that may be unbalanced in people with sleep problems insomnia).

Ambien is used to treat*insomnia. The immediate-release tablet is used to help you fall asleep when you first go to bed. The extended-release form, Ambien CR, which has a first layer that dissolves quickly to help you fall asleep, and a second layer that dissolves slowly to help you stay asleep.

Frequently, doctors have relied on sleep medications like eszopiclone (Lunesta and generic); ramelteon (Rozerem and generic); zaleplon (Sonata and generic); zolpidem (Ambien, Ambien CR, Edluar, ZolpiMist, and generic); or other drugs like the*anti depressant-trazodone, to manage insomnia.

You may also try, For chronic insomnia, that you first try*cognitive behavioral therapy.*Also might want to see if you suffer from sleep apnea.

 

[T-RexAlpha]

I hope you feel better Mr.P keep us posted if you find something that works, but you do have options

 

[Mr P]

T REX ALPHA no I don't take any of those sedatives Ambien is a good choice for many, but I hear about sides like constipation and life expectancy is shorter with these sedatives since they all derivatives from benzos, these drugs are claimed to have less potential for addiction than the earlier classes of hypnotics. Yet, Ambien, Sonata and Lunesta are schedule-IV controlled substances, the same classification as the benzodiazepines. Furthermore, the evidence is mounting that they share the same potential for dependence as the benzos, too. In addition, these drugs can cause memory loss, and behavioural changes such as less inhibition, more aggressiveness and uncharacteristic extroversion - effects similar to drunkenness.

Some people using these drugs have also experienced abnormal thinking such as loss of identity, hallucinations, worsening of depression and even thoughts of suicide. These reactions are exacerbated if the patient is also taking selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) like Prozac, the side-effects of which include loss of concentration, aggravated depression, manic reactions and an increased tendency for suicidal thoughts.

The prescribing information for Ambien also admits that it can cause hypertension and tachycardia, angina, sudden falls, heart attacks, confusion, agitation, sleepiness, difficulty concentrating or coordinating, dizziness and, believe it or not, insomnia.

 

[oldmusclemike]

I know first hand that Ambien can cause hallucinations, sleep walking and more.. IMOP stay away from Ambien...