Help me out with these bloods guys.

tury694

tury694

Pale Gorilla
My current cycle is:
test e 750 mg wk
Npp 500 mg wk
dbol 50 mg day first 4 weeks
letro 250mcg eod

This is my blood work linked below and I see that the dbol is killing my liver, but my most pressing concern right now is that my total test level is at 14,500 ng/dl. I believe that my NPP is actually test but even then my test level seems outrageous. Bloods where only taken 15 hours after last pin since I am pinning every other day. I actually feel great right now and am making amazing gains but I am very upset that my NPP is not NPP, but it passed the melt test and labmax. My guess is that it is a tiny bit of nandrolone mixed with a lot of test cyp. It is not test e or p for sure. If anyone has any other explanation for this please let me know, but the only thing I can think of is that my NPP is not NPP.

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Holy shit balls your Test is high. Those liver results look insane as well. I'm sure others will give some better recommendations, but with levels that high I would probably through everything I had at it.

1800mgs of NAC ed

2x DS Liv.52 ed

UDCA 250mg ed

With AST, and ALT that high I might just stop the orals altogether, while taking everything above.

Looks like you're having a hard time controlling your e2 which isn't surprising with how high your Test levels are. So, either lower the Test dose, or increase your AI, or increase the frequency. The AI dosing is one of my weaknesses. I see on here what are standard dosages, but for me I haven't cycled enough myself to say, bump it up this much. That will just come with experience I assume.
 
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Havasu said:
Holy shit balls your Test is high. Those liver results look insane as well. I'm sure others will give some better recommendations, but with levels that high I would probably through everything I had at it.

1800mgs of NAC ed

2x DS Liv.52 ed

UDCA 250mg ed
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Taking that exact dose of NAC right now, and using TUDCA as well. I have some UDCA from RUI but I was not going to use it yet but guess I got no choice now. I am almost sure that the e2 level would be in range if it was not for this NPP that is actually test messing things up.
 
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It seems that after some research that my NPP may indeed be NPP. The testing method used by Labcorp (eclia method) will give false high readings in the presence of nandrolone. There are limited sources for this information but apparently NPP will cause the biggest spikes in these tests. If anyone of the more knowledgeable members (Halfwit, Mega, Ripped) has heard anything or experienced anything like this it would help put my mind at ease given the strange nature of these blood tests. Thanks guys.
 
You might try the labs through Quest and see what the difference is. I've been waiting for my next nandrolone cycle to do that experiment myself.

I'm pretty sure I f'd myself with the ECLIA test and my old TRT doc. id really love to see ECLIA vs LC/MS on the same day just to compare.

Hey, It just registered with me that you got those numbers with ECLIA (over 1500), did that cap just recently go away?
 
tury694 said:
It seems that after some research that my NPP may indeed be NPP. The testing method used by Labcorp (eclia method) will give false high readings in the presence of nandrolone. There are limited sources for this information but apparently NPP will cause the biggest spikes in these tests. If anyone of the more knowledgeable members (Halfwit, Mega, Ripped) has heard anything or experienced anything like this it would help put my mind at ease given the strange nature of these blood tests. Thanks guys.
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Pretty sure I've made a few posts about this already but yes - the ECLIA method used by Lapcorp causes false elevations in both test & e2 levels.
These false, or excessive, elevations are caused by nandrolone metabolites - in your case NPP.

Here is a paper from the FDA about the ECLIA method, skip to page 7 for the info on nandrolone metabolites:

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cdrh_docs/reviews/k093421.pdf

"Nandrolone was tested and was considered as interference substance; therefore, the sponsor (Roche) has the following limitations in the labelling...Do not use samples from patients under Nandrolone treatment...."

So you need to get your levels tested using the LS/MSMS method for an accurate picture, which is also offered by privatemdlabs :)
 
I have seen guys get similar false results with Estradiol when running Tren. Any studies on that? Guessing there isn't...
 
tury694 said:
Taking that exact dose of NAC right now, and using TUDCA as well. I have some UDCA from RUI but I was not going to use it yet but guess I got no choice now. I am almost sure that the e2 level would be in range if it was not for this NPP that is actually test messing things up.
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I had very similar liver values not too long ago (dbol also.) I dropped the dbol and took 3grams of NAC daily. Two weeks later everything back within range.
 
DucBase said:
You might try the labs through Quest and see what the difference is. I've been waiting for my next nandrolone cycle to do that experiment myself.

I'm pretty sure I f'd myself with the ECLIA test and my old TRT doc. id really love to see ECLIA vs LC/MS on the same day just to compare.

Hey, It just registered with me that you got those numbers with ECLIA (over 1500), did that cap just recently go away?
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I ran the same test last cycle and got a reading over 1500. I'm not sure if the test portion is eclia as well as estradiol but I am assuming it's both.
 
Confirmed by dilution strikes again. I think it's a regional lab doing that, as most labcorp results I see cap at 1500. I remember talking about how some folks don't get the cap, which was thought to be awesome - but apparently it's not so awesome.

Zilla dropping the science like a B-52. :bigok:
 
Megatron28 said:
I have seen guys get similar false results with Estradiol when running Tren. Any studies on that? Guessing there isn't...
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No studies since, you know, tren is only used in livestock :)

I agree with you though. I've seen bloodwork with e2 at like 400-600+ levels when tren was involved despite no physical symptoms to accompany this.

Though the LS/MSMS method that works for nandrolone metabolites also works here for tren, for those who go through Quest - they tend to use the standard RIA to test estradiol and this still gives falsely elevated readings.
You will need to specifically request the extraction RIA method instead to avoid this with them and possibly a few other providers.
 
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