help me out..

[youngNDumb]

Started taking test at 17 with dbol..at 18 I did deca d at600 and test e at 450..

My post cycle therapy (pct) was just nolvadex both times..well I'm 20 years old now and shutdown real bad..
My total test was 203 and 215.. my endo gave me clomid at 50mg for only 5 days and he thinks that the use of HCG would be useless at this point because my sperm count is at 1.

If tried explaining a restart protocol but he keeps shutting me down..
I showed him this and he looked at me like I was a fukn retard..

Day 1-16 : 2500iu HCG every other day.
Day 1-30 : Nolva 20mg/day; Clomid 100mg/day (50mg take twice per day)
Day 31-45 : Nolva 20mg/day

Should I even try this? Or would it be a waste of my time? Cruz I've tried to get HCG for 3 momths ,iv asked 3 different doctors and I just get shut down..

Anything but testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) at 20..

Thanks fellas

 

[youngNDumb]

Dude wtf

 

[Austinite]

I'm not going to comment on your cycle, however I'll say that you need to find a new endo, this guy seems clueless, as most of them are.

 

[halfwit]

Started taking test at 17 with dbol..at 18 I did deca d at600 and test e at 450..

My post cycle therapy (pct) was just nolvadex both times..well I'm 20 years old now and shutdown real bad..
My total test was 203 and 215.. my endo gave me clomid at 50mg for only 5 days and he thinks that the use of HCG would be useless at this point because my sperm count is at 1.

If tried explaining a restart protocol but he keeps shutting me down..
I showed him this and he looked at me like I was a fukn retard..

Day 1-16 : 2500iu HCG every other day.
Day 1-30 : Nolva 20mg/day; Clomid 100mg/day (50mg take twice per day)
Day 31-45 : Nolva 20mg/day

Should I even try this? Or would it be a waste of my time? Cruz I've tried to get HCG for 3 momths ,iv asked 3 different doctors and I just get shut down..

Anything but testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) at 20..

Thanks fellas

Have any of these docs even determined if your low test is primary hypogonadism or secondary? This can make a HUGE difference as clomid/hcg work on your negative feedback loop, and if your nuts just simply don't work anymore (primary), it's pointless. With that said, you sound like you're really trying to avoid testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) (which is good) but without knowing the full picture, I don't know how they can assume this type of protocol will be successful. Did you at least get your LH/FSH numbers checked?

 

[imdennis]

deca higher then test? did you enjoy the limp dick?

 

[youngNDumb]

Have any of these docs even determined if your low test is primary hypogonadism or secondary? This can make a HUGE difference as clomid/hcg work on your negative feedback loop, and if your nuts just simply don't work anymore (primary), it's pointless. With that said, you sound like you're really trying to avoid testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) (which is good) but without knowing the full picture, I don't know how they can assume this type of protocol will be successful. Did you at least get your LH/FSH numbers checked?

FSH is 4.3mU/ml(1-10mU/ml) and LH is 4.0mU/ml (1.0-7.0mU/ml) on my first blood work that came back...he said my brain responded to clomid and my LH levels went up a good amount and free test went up a little bit..but my total Test didn't really budge that much..

So is this secondary?

 

[youngNDumb]

deca higher then test? did you enjoy the limp dick?

My bones and joints feel like there Finna snap off and I am literally going crazy mentally..I didn't care about the limp dick as much

 

[youngNDumb]

So I should be able to recover or not my dudes

 

[Austinite]

So I should be able to recover or not my dudes

I have yet to locate a fully functional crystal ball. You can only do everything to prevent complications, the rest is up to your body and how it takes to it.

 

[halfwit]

FSH is 4.3mU/ml(1-10mU/ml) and LH is 4.0mU/ml (1.0-7.0mU/ml) on my first blood work that came back...he said my brain responded to clomid and my LH levels went up a good amount and free test went up a little bit..but my total Test didn't really budge that much..

So is this secondary?

Keep in mind I'm not a doctor as I type this, but if your LH/FSH levels are fine but you still have a low total test, that screams primary to me. LH tells your testes to make the hormone, but if there's a problem there like a variocele or something else - they just don't respond. Do you know if these levels were before or after your clomid/HCG supplementation? If before, I'd start shopping for another doc as it's not likely you'll see any great benefit from driving these numbers much higher. Again, I'm not a doc - but that's what my basic understanding of the HPTA brings me to believe.

If it does turn out to be primary, I'm sorry - but testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) may be your only option.

 

[Austinite]

Doc or not... great observations, halfwit!

 

[cdiggity]

Keep in mind I'm not a doctor as I type this, but if your LH/FSH levels are fine but you still have a low total test, that screams primary to me. LH tells your testes to make the hormone, but if there's a problem there like a variocele or something else - they just don't respond. Do you know if these levels were before or after your clomid/HCG supplementation? If before, I'd start shopping for another doc as it's not likely you'll see any great benefit from driving these numbers much higher. Again, I'm not a doc - but that's what my basic understanding of the HPTA brings me to believe.

If it does turn out to be primary, I'm sorry - but testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) may be your only option.

So if someone were to consider doing steroids while trying to reduce the risk of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), would it be better to do it mid to late 20s or early 30s? Or does it really not make a difference in that regard and you always have a chance of having the boys crap out on ya?

 

[halfwit]

So if someone were to consider doing steroids while trying to reduce the risk of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), would it be better to do it mid to late 20s or early 30s? Or does it really not make a difference in that regard and you always have a chance of having the boys crap out on ya?

I think the further away from development the better off you are, but then again you roll those genetic dice either way. I'm on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for life because of long-term opiate usage - which wasn't even known to cause this at the time! I do think there are ways you can reduce the risk, but without a crystal ball as Austinite mentioned, we really don't know the answer until it's too late.

 

[youngNDumb]

Keep in mind I'm not a doctor as I type this, but if your LH/FSH levels are fine but you still have a low total test, that screams primary to me. LH tells your testes to make the hormone, but if there's a problem there like a variocele or something else - they just don't respond. Do you know if these levels were before or after your clomid/HCG supplementation? If before, I'd start shopping for another doc as it's not likely you'll see any great benefit from driving these numbers much higher. Again, I'm not a doc - but that's what my basic understanding of the HPTA brings me to believe.

If it does turn out to be primary, I'm sorry - but testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) may be your only option.

I never did Hcg only clomid, but those were the levels before the clomid, I don't have the exact levels of the LH levels after the clomid..but he said it doubled after the clomid but my test levels didn't really move at all

 

[cdiggity]

So...just use it and hope for the best?

got it

 

[halfwit]

I never did Hcg only clomid, but those were the levels before the clomid, I don't have the exact levels of the LH levels after the clomid..but he said it doubled after the clomid but my test levels didn't really move at all

Yeah, if your test didn't move and your LH DOUBLED, it sounds like there's something else going on and he's just grasping at straws here. I'd definitely either get more aggressive with this doctor (he works for YOU) or move onto one that has a clue about male hormones and how they work. If money isn't an issue, you can always try contacting Increase My T, which is a board sponsor here and they should be able to more than help you out in your quest to return to a normal lifestyle.

So...just use it and hope for the best?

got it

If you want to put it as bluntly as possible: Yes, spray and pray haha.

 

[cdiggity]

I would hope that people do a little more than pray before they spray.

It seems like with proper precations and hormonal balance most of the negative side effects can be mitigated than without the planning.

Or at least that is how I am justifying this to myself ;-)

 

[youngNDumb]

Yeah, if your test didn't move and your LH DOUBLED, it sounds like there's something else going on and he's just grasping at straws here. I'd definitely either get more aggressive with this doctor (he works for YOU) or move onto one that has a clue about male hormones and how they work. If money isn't an issue, you can always try contacting Increase My T, which is a board sponsor here and they should be able to more than help you out in your quest to return to a normal lifestyle.


If you want to put it as bluntly as possible: Yes, spray and pray haha.

How does one get set up with increase my?? Are they doctors? Do i send paperwork to them and then they just figure out what's wrong with me?? Without them even seeing me?

 

[halfwit]

I would hope that people do a little more than pray before they spray.

It seems like with proper precations and hormonal balance most of the negative side effects can be mitigated than without the planning.

Or at least that is how I am justifying this to myself ;-)

Well, you wanted it as blunt as possible. While you can increase the odds that you'll be fine with proper cycle planning and precautions, you do risk permanent shut down no matter what. I do know guys that cycle 2 times a year and have been doing so since they were in their early 20's yet are still fine in their late 30's/early 40's. Genetics play a HUGE role in how you recover/if you recover.

How does one get set up with increase my?? Are they doctors? Do i send paperwork to them and then they just figure out what's wrong with me?? Without them even seeing me?

Low-T - Testosterone Replacement & General Men's Health, Articles, and Discussions. is their site and yes they do work with doctors. I don't know the specifics on how they work, but as a forum regular in the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) section of this board I've seen several satisfied customers reporting in there with pleasant experiences. You could always send a pm to Lindsay and I'm sure she'll be able to set you on the right path to see if their services are right for you or not. Just look for a yellow name in the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) section if you'd like.

 

[cdiggity]

How manageable would you say testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is? Do you find it debilitating in any way, or is it more of a hassle to take every day?

It seems like that and the perma-limp dick are the only main drawbacks in my book for the AAS use. Hopefully if I chose to do it that wont happen to me ;-)