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bill412

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Ive been doing some major research,but somethings I still dont understand because they are talked about so much.....Im 6'5 260lbs I never got my bf mesured Im not a bodybuilder or powerlifter or any of that.I just like to look good a stay fit.so I'll prob never run a cycle.But if I were going to people say test alone is the best for first cycle.Some say test E and some say test prop.From what I read I would use test prop.But how much do I use eod.and as a post cycle therapy (pct) could I just use clomid or nova by themselves or do I have to use more then one.My biggest fear would be gyno and how to stop it and prevent it.:bash:
 
A first cycle of prop would be 100mg eod. Pct would be the same either nolva or chlomid but you could start post cycle therapy (pct) about 1 week after instead of 2 weeks. An Aromatase inhibitor (AI) throughout cycle such as aromasin would prevent gyno, but according to a post by scarz in another thread, you wouldnt have to worry with prop. I wasnt aware of this.
 
how long would I run the cycle for.I forgot to put that in there.and you said either clomid or nolva so I dont need both.and run the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) the entire cycle
 
everybody is going to react different but most dont need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) with prop.. id get it and keep it close by incase of signs of strong estro sides.. its testosterone it can and will produce estrogen side effects.. just less than cyp/enanthate in most cases.. post cycle therapy (pct) some run nolva some run clomid some run both.. i feel nolva alone is fine..
 
and 40/20/20 refers to 3 days a week or eod.dont mean to ask so many ?s but you are actually helping me out understanding this.and thats 40mg/20mg/20mg correct
 
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lol its cool bro.. rather see you do it right then wrong.. you should read up b4 you jump into it though.. for your own good.. 40/20/20 is nolvadex 40mg a day for the first week.. 20mg a day for the 2nd. and 20mg for the 3rd.. some say 20mg gives same results as 40mg.. and thats possible but im just stating what ive always used and its worked for me.. you can even stretch that out another week at 20mgs if you want.. same goes for clomid.. i usually take them at night 30minutes b4 sleep..
 
That was my second when I was looking at it.but your def a big help gona keep you on my list if I ever decide to run a cycle.how many weeks do I run test prop.
 
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Testosterone Propionate is the shortest-estered testosterone product available. There are some advantages and disadvantages to this. The major disadvantage is that users will have to inject Test Prop at least every other day throughout its cycle to get proper results. The advantages, however, are less bloating and water retention that longer-estered products and because there is less ester in each vial, there is more actual testosterone per injection, which brings better results.

Testosterone is the male sex hormone responsible for many of the physical and emotional traits of men. It creates the deeper voices, sex drive, aggression and, of coarse, larger muscles in men. Testosterone makes the muscles retain more nitrogen, which in turn makes the muscle synthesize proteins better, producing larger muscles.

The downside to testosterone steroids is that they aromatize, or turn into estrogen, in the body. When the body has too much estrogen it begins to take on female characteristics gynocomastia, water retention, fat gain, loss of sex drive and testicular shrinkage are all most certain side effects of taking testosterone and letting it aromatize in the body.

Testosterone propionate is a commonly manufactured, oil-based injectable testosterone compound. The propionate ester will slow the rate in which the steroid is released from the injection site, but only for a few days. Testosterone propionate is therefore much faster acting than other testosterone esters such as cypionate or enanthate, and requires a much more frequent dosing schedule, in order to maintain stable blood levels. While cypionate and enanthate are injected on a weekly or bi-weekly basis, propionate is usually injected every second. The propionate ester can be very irritating to the site of injection. In fact, many sensitive individuals choose to stay away from this steroid completely, their body reacting with a pronounced soreness and low-grade fever that may last for a few days.

Those who do not mind frequent injections will find propionate to be quite an effective steroid. As with all testosterones, it is a powerful mass drug, capable of producing rapid gains in size and strength. At the same time the buildup of estrogen and DHT (dihydrotestosterone) will be pronounced, so typical testosterone side effects are to be expected. Many consider propionate to be the mildest testosterone ester, and the preferred form for the dieting/cutting phases of training. Some will go so far as to say that propionate will harden the physique, while giving the user less water and fat retention than one typically expects to see with a testosterone. Realistically however, this is nonsense. The ester is removed before testosterone is active in the body, and likewise the ester cannot alter the activity of the parent steroid in any way, only slow its release. We can say that propionate might be the favored testosterone among female bodybuilders (for those who insist on testosterone use), as blood levels are easier to control with it compared to other esters. Should virilization symptoms develop, one would not wish to wait the weeks needed for testosterone concentrations to fall after a shot of enanthate for example.

During a typical cycle one will see action that is consistent with a testosterone. Users sensitive to gynecomastia and water retention may therefore need to add an anti-estrogen like Arimidex, Femara or Aromasin. Those particularly troubled by gynecomastia may find that a combination of Nolvadex and Proviron works especially well at preventing/halting this occurrence. Also unavoidable with a testosterone are androgenic side effects like oily skin, acne, increased aggression and body/facial hair growth. Those who may have a predisposition for male pattern baldness may also find that propionate will aggravate this condition. To help combat this one may choose to Propecia/Proscar, which will reduce the buildup of DHT in many androgen target tissues. This will help minimize related side effects (particularly hair loss) although it offers us no guarantees. And as with all testosterone products, propionate will also suppress endogenous testosterone production. The use of a testosterone stimulating drug like HCG and/or Clomid/Nolvadex is therefore a requirement in order to avoid enduring a post-cycle crash.

The most common dosage schedule for this compound (men) is to inject 50 to 100mg, every day or 2nd day. As with the more popular esters, the total weekly dosage would be in the range of 300-700mg. As with all testosterone compounds, this drug is most appropriately suited for bulking phases of training. Here it is most often combined with other strong agents such as Dianabol, Anadrol, or Deca-Durabolin, combinations that prove to work quite well. Propionate however is sometimes also used with nonaromatizing anabolics/androgens during cutting or dieting phases of training, a time when it’s fast action and androgenic nature are also appreciated. Popular stacks include a moderate dosage of propionate with an oral anabolic like Winstrol (15-35 mg daily), Primobolan (50-150mg daily) or oxandrolone (15-30mg daily). Provided the body fat percentage is sufficiently low, the look of dense muscularity can be notably improved (barring any excess estrogen buildup from the testosterone). One could also add a non-aromatizing androgen like trenbolone or Halotestin, which should have an even more extreme effect on subcutaneous body fat and muscle hardness. Of course with the added androgen content any related side effects will become much more pronounced.
 
I dont want to jab any day but if I ever get the the point that I do want to I would like to have done my research and foot work so I can just do it.But everyday or eod would not be a prob
 
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