Help! Shortness of breathe getting worried

[NJesketit]

Hey guys I've been on 500mg of test cyp for 6 weeks now. Also taking 50mg of proviron ED as well as 6.25mg of aromasin ED.

I'm having shortness of breath the last 3 days. It's been rough and it's getting scary. I just checked at my rest heart rate is 63bpm. Seems normal.

I read that maybe I need to give blood?
Maybe my E is to high or low?

Unfortunately I cannot get blood work done because I'm out of work and unemployment ran dry.

What are my worries?
Should I stop my cycle?

 

[PapaNoel]

Say hello to high blood pressure as a result from high estrogen, like I said you would in your other thread.
6.25mg is nowhere enough, like mentioned.

 

[NJesketit]

Say hello to high blood pressure as a result from high estrogen, like I said you would in your other thread.
6.25mg is nowhere enough, like mentioned.[/QUOTE

12.5mg daily than??

 

[NJesketit]

Could I add in Nolva instead of upping the Aromasin?

 

[jpflex66]

It can also be anxiety....high estrogen can cause that also.

No need for nolva just keep the Aromasin at a higher dose. Check blood pressure

 

[NJesketit]

It can also be anxiety....high estrogen can cause that also.

No need for nolva just keep the Aromasin at a higher dose. Check blood pressure

What do you recommend I go up to than?
My aromasin supply is limited because I thought 6.25 everyday would be enough.

Could nolva be used in this case?

And I always have some anxiety issues this felt different but also doesn't help when you think you're dying xD

 

[PapaNoel]

What do you recommend I go up to than?
My aromasin supply is limited because I thought 6.25 everyday would be enough.
Could nolva be used in this case?
And I always have some anxiety issues this felt different but also doesn't help when you think you're dying xD

20mg per day for 30 days to start with. Its quite impossible to say more without blood work.
Nolva is not an AI and doesn't even work the same way, so no you can't.

Anxiety doesn't give shortness of breath for 3 days, panic attacks could but you wouldn't have it constantly for 3 days though.
High blood pressure is more likely.

 

[NJesketit]

Like I said I have a limited supply of aromasin.. that's almost a pill a day...

Would lowering my test dose help to even out the ratio with the Aromasin? Or am I at a point of no return and I HAVE to raise the Aromasin significantly

 

[PapaNoel]

Like I said I have a limited supply of aromasin.. that's almost a pill a day...
Would lowering my test dose help to even out the ratio with the Aromasin? Or am I at a point of no return and I HAVE to raise the Aromasin significantly

Buy more? Its not particularly expensive.
Impossible to give a definitive answer without blood work.
Lowering testo AND raising aromasin would give you a net loss far as estrogen conversion, will it be enough? Can't say without blood work. It will also take about 10-14 days to stabilize blood levels for the increased aromasin dose and then it needs to bind to more than it converts for your levels to start going down.

But if you've reached the point of high blood pressure, you're already playing catch up and without countermeasures that actually matters, it will be a losing battle for sure.

 

[NJesketit]

Buy more? Its not particularly expensive.
Impossible to give a definitive answer without blood work.
Lowering testo AND raising aromasin would give you a net loss far as estrogen conversion, will it be enough? Can't say without blood work. It will also take about 10-14 days to stabilize blood levels for the increased aromasin dose and then it needs to bind to more than it converts for your levels to start going down.

But if you've reached the point of high blood pressure, you're already playing catch up and without countermeasures that actually matters, it will be a losing battle for sure.

Basically I have enough to take 25mg a day for 4 more weeks.. started today.

I feel like it helped.. probably a placebo effect I would think?

What is my worst case scenario health wise right now?

 

[PapaNoel]

Basically I have enough to take 25mg a day for 4 more weeks.. started today.
feel like it helped.. probably a placebo effect I would think?
What is my worst case scenario health wise right now?

So with only 4 weeks left of aromasin, how much left of your cycle?
Can you get adex?

If you wanna squeeze out the last of your cycle, I'd drop test down about 100mg.
I would then eat 15mg ed for 50 days....but...don't forget you need to eat them for 21 days after last injection.
Meaning you'd have about 29 days left to cycle, if that makes sense?

Worst case, health wise?
Stroke, heartattack, brain aneurysm and/or brain hemorrhage from popping a blood vessel, due to over training.
These are the last extreme side effects but continue your path? Yeh, you'll get there eventually.

For bro? Do another 2-3 weeks of injections and then stop and aim for a PCT.

And in about 5-6 months, you can do a new cycle, where you've researched and bought enough supplies to cover changes, dose duration and even extra gear in case you break a vial or two, or suddenly realize you need to double X dose.

I always buy 1x extra of everything in my cycle, worst case scenario? I'll just use it for next cycle.

The placebo effect is just that. Will take minimum 10 days to feel a difference, more likely 14-20 days.

 

[NJesketit]

So with only 4 weeks left of aromasin, how much left of your cycle?
Can you get adex?

If you wanna squeeze out the last of your cycle, I'd drop test down about 100mg.
I would then eat 15mg ed for 50 days....but...don't forget you need to eat them for 21 days after last injection.
Meaning you'd have about 29 days left to cycle, if that makes sense?

Worst case, health wise?
Stroke, heartattack, brain aneurysm and/or brain hemorrhage from popping a blood vessel, due to over training.
These are the last extreme side effects but continue your path? Yeh, you'll get there eventually.

For bro? Do another 2-3 weeks of injections and then stop and aim for a PCT.

And in about 5-6 months, you can do a new cycle, where you've researched and bought enough supplies to cover changes, dose duration and even extra gear in case you break a vial or two, or suddenly realize you need to double X dose.

I always buy 1x extra of everything in my cycle, worst case scenario? I'll just use it for next cycle.

The placebo effect is just that. Will take minimum 10 days to feel a difference, more likely 14-20 days.

Idk I think I'm going to just stop I don't think I can deal with this .. may have to see a doctor

 

[NJesketit]

Idk I think I'm going to just stop I don't think I can deal with this .. may have to see a doctor

I appreciate all the info.. I should have listened. I was worried taking to much of an AI was going to make me feel really weird like being on nolva for a couple weeks. The low dose might have been sufficient until this sixth week when the test really kicked in. I just started getting strong as hell too :'(

 

[LateStart]

As everyone has said....bloodwork. Keep increasing your AI and you may crash your estrogen, THAT SUCKS. Personally, I experience shortness of breath every cycle and it's usually thick and high blood volume. I donate blood regularly to control it and if I miss then I know it. When we take testosterone our blood tends to thicken up. This makes your heart work harder to get the same amount of oxygen to your muscles.....if it cant keep up then you get really short of breath.
In closing.....our blood gets thick and we tend to gain weight. I dont care if its water weight, muscle, or fat.....when you gain weight it is more work for your heart. So the weight gain and blood thickening work together to keep us out of breath. Sure....shortness of breath could be anxiety or estrogen but every penny of my money would be on weight gain and hematocrit levels.

Get bloodwork or stop your cycle. Good luck bro

 

[scorob777]

I'll second what Late Start said, bloodwork is the only way to really know. 6.25mg asin per day is the standard rule of thumb for 500 Test /wk. If you think you have an estrogen issue then just double up to 12.5/day to see what happens. I think 20 or 25 is way too much.

Blood testing is only about sixty bucks. It's a pain but all in all well worth it versus guessing and/or gambling.

 

[PapaNoel]

So i mentioned blood work 4 times before anyone else and nobody agreed until someone else said it.
I chuckled....

And tankman, he ignored taking AI completely for the starter of his cycle, then he took AI once a week, then switched it up to every third day(even though the half life doesn't even support that)
And i've told him from the very beginning off his first post here in another thread, that'll he'll reach this point of high blood pressure and risk serious health problems, such as brain hemmorage, that's the first time he listened and starting going on 6.25mg ED, about 3 weeks into the cycle.

And 20-25mg is not even close to being "way too much", specially not in sense of aggressively lowering/preventing any more conversion to his very high estrogen, for the 30 days I stated. Shit, i can eat 20mg OFF cycle without issues, it'll only lower my values to half(at worst 2/3thirds). So you're wrong, especially in this specific case.
Could it be high hematocrit/hemoglobin values? Yes it could, but without blood work (duh) how can we tell? And with the information available, its pretty fucking obvious to me its high blood pressure.

I had this exact experience during my first cycle where I didn't use an AI at all for the whole cycle.
By middle of it, i had shortness of breath but figured it was the tren... Towards the end, the blood pressure was so high, during leg days it felt like my brain would explode and cause brain hemorrhage. This is why I know 100% its not anxiety, it's not hematocrit...it's high estrogen coupled with high blood pressure.
Shit, just go check the fucking blood pressure, most serious gyms have one of those available, if not 100% one of their PT's have one....

Where the fuck is my credit and rep.... Everyone just repeating my advices lol...

It's like, why do I even bother helping people, 90% doesn't listen at all and the remaining 10% just don't listen to me lol...
Maybe I should just let people fuck themselves up and laugh at them....

/rant over...

 

[NJesketit]

So i mentioned blood work 4 times before anyone else and nobody agreed until someone else said it.
I chuckled....

And tankman, he ignored taking AI completely for the starter of his cycle, then he took AI once a week, then switched it up to every third day(even though the half life doesn't even support that)
And i've told him from the very beginning off his first post here in another thread, that'll he'll reach this point of high blood pressure and risk serious health problems, such as brain hemmorage, that's the first time he listened and starting going on 6.25mg ED, about 3 weeks into the cycle.

And 20-25mg is not even close to being "way too much", specially not in sense of aggressively lowering/preventing any more conversion to his very high estrogen, for the 30 days I stated. Shit, i can eat 20mg OFF cycle without issues, it'll only lower my values to half(at worst 2/3thirds). So you're wrong, especially in this specific case.
Could it be high hematocrit/hemoglobin values? Yes it could, but without blood work (duh) how can we tell? And with the information available, its pretty fucking obvious to me its high blood pressure.

I had this exact experience during my first cycle where I didn't use an AI at all for the whole cycle.
By middle of it, i had shortness of breath but figured it was the tren... Towards the end, the blood pressure was so high, during leg days it felt like my brain would explode and cause brain hemorrhage. This is why I know 100% its not anxiety, it's not hematocrit...it's high estrogen coupled with high blood pressure.
Shit, just go check the fucking blood pressure, most serious gyms have one of those available, if not 100% one of their PT's have one....

Where the fuck is my credit and rep.... Everyone just repeating my advices lol...

It's like, why do I even bother helping people, 90% doesn't listen at all and the remaining 10% just don't listen to me lol...
Maybe I should just let people fuck themselves up and laugh at them....

/rant over...

I'm totally listening to you .. I guess I really didn't understand how long it took for the AI to work.

My question is now if my blood pressure is in good shape should I than consider to give blood?

Also could the 50mg of proviron be hurting more that good at this point?

And where can I get a blood test for 60? I think I can pull that off

 

[NJesketit]

My E must be high because I haven't had any morning wood and I haven't been able to get it hard hard for close to a week now.

I took 5mgs of nolva two nights in a row And this morning I woke up really horny. Why would that be?

I've also gotten really strong this last week.. I'd still see gains like that even with high E?

 

[PapaNoel]

I'm totally listening to you .. I guess I really didn't understand how long it took for the AI to work.
My question is now if my blood pressure is in good shape should I than consider to give blood?
Also could the 50mg of proviron be hurting more that good at this point?
And where can I get a blood test for 60? I think I can pull that off

Second you inject testosterone, your body will start to aromatize and conversion into estrogen starts.
Some people (like myself) already have naturally very high estrogen (132 with ref <150). I'm also super sensitive to conversion and generally need 2-3 times more than anyone else)

Giving blood is ALWAYS a good idea, even better if you base it off blood work. I give blood start of cycle and end of cycle, on average 3-4 times per year. Feels amazing.

On average, it will take 2-4 weeks until you start noticing any real changes to estrogen, donating blood would speed up the blood pressure a bit, but then you shouldn't train for 48 hours.

Proviron is DHT and as such does not aromatize and won't affect your estrogen level.
It will mostly just lower SHBG and raise free testosterone. If you also have low supply, I'd personally save it for PCT, but doesn't really matter.

 

[PapaNoel]

My E must be high because I haven't had any morning wood and I haven't been able to get it hard hard for close to a week now.
I took 5mgs of nolva two nights in a row And this morning I woke up really horny. Why would that be?
I've also gotten really strong this last week.. I'd still see gains like that even with high E?

With 500mg test cyp and no morning wood, high E is likely, you're only taking testo right? No 19-nor(deca/tren)?

Nolvadex blocks estrogen at receptor levels and not aromatase levels, still doesn't function like an AI and also have estrogentic properties that long term will just extrapolate your current issue.
Another fun side effect of long term nolva is libido/ED issues.

Don't take nolva during cycle, its outdated knowledge. (Only exception would be gyno symptoms)

You need estrogen to build muscle and you're on week 6 which means now your testo levels have peaked, so no surprise you have more strength and see good gains.
The drawback is water retention, prerequisite for gyno, being a bitch emotionally, high blood pressure, loss of libido and a long list but those seems pretty specific to you here.