Here is my present diet...

[Milhouse]

Yes, lean meat, and that is what I calculated for. Lean fish takes away from the very beneficial fats that you could get from wild salmon with the skin on it.

Seems convenient that you left out milk even though you drink it, but mentioned you do drink it when I pointed out a calcium deficiency. But hey, that's not entirely fair. I should give you the benefit of the doubt.

A vitamin/mineral supplement is just that - a supplement. It is a staple in your diet. What kind of vitamin are you taking? I hope it isn't a Centrum or something like that.

If you do have an underlying condition, then state it. Anyone can have a condition that might not allow them to eat just about ANY food.

Regardless, your diet is deficient in vitamins and minerals and you just pop a pill to "make up for it." What is your vitamin's source of vitamin A? Do you have a study that shows pills will sustain life over generations? That's a major part of health, which you states as being your main goal. That is, unless you define health as "feeling good." Do you have studies to back up your reasoning here? Afterall, you don't use some "fad" diet (looks like the ubiquitous 1990's lowfat diet...wasn't that a fad?).

Your diet looks lacking in EFAs, nutrients, and I do not see any probiotics in there, either. That's very important for health as well, since it is approximately 60% of your immune system, among other things. Do you include nutrient-dense vegetables as well? Things like broccoli, spinach, sea veggies, etc?

I take geritol vitamins and flinstones but only on tuesday because I like the barney flavoured ones.

Of course I include a variety of vegtables, I typically like mixed ones and do eat salads as well.

The diet is not a low fat diet like the early 90's sorry.

 

[Frosty]

I take geritol vitamins and flinstones but only on tuesday because I like the barney flavoured ones.

Of course I include a variety of vegtables, I typically like mixed ones and do eat salads as well.

The diet is not a low fat diet like the early 90's sorry.

13% calories from fat is extremely low. You replace real foods with things like rice cakes and cereals. If that's not a 1990's fad diet, then I dunno what is.

 

[Milhouse]

13% calories from fat is extremely low. You replace real foods with things like rice cakes and cereals. If that's not a 1990's fad diet, then I dunno what is.

where do you get 13%

You are generralizing my food choices in that you are most likely punching in lean turkye or something for my meats when I in fact eat predominately lean steak and lean ground and bison as well. Which brings me to a point. What the hell is it off your ass if my diet is "unhealthy" to yours? And what makes yours so healthy at that

I also dont sit there jerking off trying to analyze every calorie I stuff in my piehole during the day. I go just by a basic caloric intake meaure the amounts and go from there I dont look to see if I have 99.95% of my daily vitamin z etc.

Plus stone cold above said it best with his multi vitamins and mineral comments

Just leave it alone man, whether you think you will win an argument with me or not you really wont win because you will have not convinced me to listen to you but rather put you in the same category that I put granola crunchers in.

Last point then I gotta go, someone who takes this stuff so seriously as you do is usually either saddled with "issues" or going to eventually try and sell something. Which one are you?

And just out of curiousity just so i can understand the "genius" in front of the man, what are your credentials, what is your age, stats and experience in the gym or on the stage. I dont want to know this so I can knock you, I would just like to get a better understanding of why you are such a knob with your rigid stances here.

Thanks

 

[Frosty]

where do you get 13%

You are generralizing my food choices in that you are most likely punching in lean turkye or something for my meats when I in fact eat predominately lean steak and lean ground and bison as well. Which brings me to a point. What the hell is it off your ass if my diet is "unhealthy" to yours? And what makes yours so healthy at that

I also dont sit there jerking off trying to analyze every calorie I stuff in my piehole during the day. I go just by a basic caloric intake meaure the amounts and go from there I dont look to see if I have 99.95% of my daily vitamin z etc.

Plus stone cold above said it best with his multi vitamins and mineral comments

Just leave it alone man, whether you think you will win an argument with me or not you really wont win because you will have not convinced me to listen to you but rather put you in the same category that I put granola crunchers in.

Last point then I gotta go, someone who takes this stuff so seriously as you do is usually either saddled with "issues" or going to eventually try and sell something. Which one are you?

And just out of curiousity just so i can understand the "genius" in front of the man, what are your credentials, what is your age, stats and experience in the gym or on the stage. I dont want to know this so I can knock you, I would just like to get a better understanding of why you are such a knob with your rigid stances here.

Thanks

I mentioned in my post that the numbers wouldn't be 100% accurate. I used chicken breasts since they are very common. Ok, so you use lean ground beef...that makes it what...a whopping 15-20% calories from fat? You still have very little EFAs, no probiotics, lack of nutrients in your diet, use supplements as a staple, have very low fat (a great deal of it is olive oil, too), and have a lot of poor choices of foods (rice cakes, cereals, etc).

That's not really a big deal. I just don't appreciate when people have diarrhea of the mouth but won't substantiate anything. You kept going on about "fad" diets and accusing me of things I did not do. So when I point out the errors in your diet, what do you do? Debate the actual issues so people can learn something (if not you or me, someone reading it)? No, you avoid topics, change the subject and try to distract people with bringing up my credentials. It's a classic tactic of people that are backed in a corner in a debate.

I would be very happy to debate this with you, but if you're not up for that, then fine. People reading this can make the decision on who makes the most sense.

 

[70w30]

This thread reaks of the Advigor......

 

[Milhouse]

That's not really a big deal. I just don't appreciate when people have diarrhea of the mouth but won't substantiate anything. You kept going on about "fad" diets and accusing me of things I did not do. So when I point out the errors in your diet, what do you do? Debate the actual issues so people can learn something (if not you or me, someone reading it)? No, you avoid topics, change the subject and try to distract people with bringing up my credentials. It's a classic tactic of people that are backed in a corner in a debate.

I would be very happy to debate this with you, but if you're not up for that, then fine. People reading this can make the decision on who makes the most sense.

Seems like your trying to distract people with your own babble by trying show your expertise yet wont state your credentials. You have done this with others who have asked your credentials as well.

I already know what your credentials are, I am not saying but I think you should just admit that you have read 2 books.

The errors of my diet first of all what are you a fucking retard? Hmm I take multis etc as I have stated above, and then I have stated not only here but elsewhere on this site that I feel fucking great, and I am losing fat slowly while keeping my same bodyweight. In your opinion things like rice cakes and cereals(ie oats, oat bran cream of wheat etc ) are bad choices, hmm the ingrediants of the bag I have here says "brown rice, sesame seeds adn salt" . holy shit the world just came to an end. Oh and here is another kicker, MY HEALTH ACCORDING TO MEDICAL CHECKUPS(3 in the past year) have improved tremendously since the first one. Not bad considering I probably could have been dead about a year ago.

You seem to state that feeling good has nothing to do with health, which you are part correct but because of my diet I am not healthy. I will let you in on a little secret. Diet is NOT everything, its how you live your life etc, its all around everything that counts. I know enough people who are health nuts in the purest sense of the world yet are miserable twats and end up getting sick in the fucking head because they obsess over the littlest inane details oif life kind of like you are doing. tHERE IS SOME OLD CHINAMAN PROBABLY IN ASIA RIGHT NOW WHO IS 95 YEARS OLD, FEELS GREAT, LIVES ON 2 BOWLS OF RICE PER DAY AND COULD PROBABLY KICK THE ASS OF HALF OF US HERE. Hmm but he isnt healthy because he only has a good outlook on life, practices Tai Chi and martial arts but his diet is deficient in satuarated fat so he might not make it to 96 folks.

Taking this one step further I had person in my life for many years who I felt was and is till a good person. Now this person used to obsess about the same shit you do and in the end she was about as natural as her breast implants.

Unfortuantly I am helping out in other areas at work the past few days so I am on and off but on monday if I get the chance I will look thru all your relevent posts and then poke the hypcrisy and bullshit of everything you are preaching.

Again spelled real loud WHAT ARE YOUR CREDENTIALS OTHER THAN READING A COUPLE OF BOOKS, TROLLING THE NET AND GETTING A WEEKEND COURSE TO GET YOUR PERSONAL TRAINING CERTIFICATE FROM BALLY'S OR WHATEVER?

Please answer the question and put me in my place once and for all.

If you dont answer the question please understand that I will have no other alternative then to go to every songle thread you post on and ask this question.

If you have LEGIT credentials please say it. Then maybe I will consider taking what you say a little more seriously. Until then I could care less what a bunch of internet people think of your genius. As well I could care less who thinks who won an argument(nobody wins an argument btw).

I have enough balls to tell you that I will consider what you say has some legitamacy but only when you tell me what your LEGIT credentials are, and dont just paste some studies you got off the net because studies in general always contradict some other studies.

Just your real life credentials thats it thats all.

Again Nelson JR/Fonz JR what are the real life credentials you have?

 

[Frosty]

Someone's got their panties in a bunch.

Although, I do think I misunderstood what you meant by "cereal." I'm not sure what shredded oat biscuits are...sorta like shredded wheat? I thought by oat bran you meant that cracklin oat bran stuff.

I appologize for the mistake.

 

[Milhouse]

Someone's got their panties in a bunch.

Although, I do think I misunderstood what you meant by "cereal." I'm not sure what shredded oat biscuits are...sorta like shredded wheat? I thought by oat bran you meant that cracklin oat bran stuff.

I appologize for the mistake.

Thats cool but you still have not answered the question which I will repeat

What are your credentials Rusty?

 

[Frosty]

Thats cool but you still have not answered the question which I will repeat

What are your credentials Rusty?

I do not need credentials to point out that your diet does not even meet the RDA.

If you think it is healthy to just pop a pill to make up for an inadequate diet, then you must have some evidence to back that up. Suggesting that popping a pill will keep you healthy is a pretty extraordinary claim, so you must have some extraordinary evidence to back it up, right? I'd be very interested to see some studies that would show popping a pill will let someone live a healthy life free from degenerative diseases, and able to sustain life for generations.

Do you have this evidence? Or are you just making unfounded claims?

 

[Milhouse]

I do not need credentials to point out that your diet does not even meet the RDA.

If you think it is healthy to just pop a pill to make up for an inadequate diet, then you must have some evidence to back that up. Suggesting that popping a pill will keep you healthy is a pretty extraordinary claim, so you must have some extraordinary evidence to back it up, right? I'd be very interested to see some studies that would show popping a pill will let someone live a healthy life free from degenerative diseases, and able to sustain life for generations.

Do you have this evidence? Or are you just making unfounded claims?

Actually you should point out your credentials for alot of the things you spout off on the board period.

Dont forget you were the one who came into my thread and said alot of things yourself.

I think it is fair for me to ask...

WHAT ARE YOUR CREDENTIALS RUSTY?

Cmon you cut and paste alot and get your info from a few studies and some books answer the question.

What are you afraid of? People knowing the truth?

The truth shall set you free and get alot more respect.

 

[Frosty]

I will debate this if you stick to the issues.

The issue is you made the extraordinary claim that popping a pill in place of an adequate diet is "healthy."

The question is, do you have any evidence to back up this claim?

 

[Milhouse]

Whiole your at it why dont you do some more research in to the long term effects of things like butter, lard, coconut oil etc that you use in your diet.

From what I understand the long term effects with high saurated fats isnt exactly roseyas well

 

[Frosty]

Whiole your at it why dont you do some more research in to the long term effects of things like butter, lard, coconut oil etc that you use in your diet.

From what I understand the long term effects with high saurated fats isnt exactly roseyas well

Those foods have proven themselves over countless generations. A lot of the research also uses hydrogenated oils in place of saturated fats and them make the false claim that saturated fats are bad.

The evidence does not support the assumtion that saturated fats are bad. The research points to cultures that ate low fat and were healthy, yet neglected cultures that ate very high fat and were healthy as well.

Humans have eaten fat and meat for their entire existance. If you want to make the claim that saturated fat is somehow bad for you, then that is another extraordinary claim which requires extraordinary evidence. I've done the research, and I have not seen evidence to support this claim. However, if you have it I'd be interested in seeing it.

Now, back to the point...do you have evidence to support your claim?

 

[Milhouse]

I will debate this if you stick to the issues.

The issue is you made the extraordinary claim that popping a pill in place of an adequate diet is "healthy."

The question is, do you have any evidence to back up this claim?

Not in front of me no but after the weekend I will find something for sure.

Now again you are really skirting the issue Rust and that is what are your credentials?

You like to cut and paste and quote shit you found on wait a minute THE INTERNET.

I see from your posts you are the expert here, tell me what your credentials are?

I feel like I am repeating myself

 

[Frosty]

Not in front of me no but after the weekend I will find something for sure.

Well, we can continue the debate once you bring about this evidence.

 

[Milhouse]

Those foods have proven themselves over countless generations. A lot of the research also uses hydrogenated oils in place of saturated fats and them make the false claim that saturated fats are bad.

The evidence does not support the assumtion that saturated fats are bad. The research points to cultures that ate low fat and were healthy, yet neglected cultures that ate very high fat and were healthy as well.

Humans have eaten fat and meat for their entire existance. If you want to make the claim that saturated fat is somehow bad for you, then that is another extraordinary claim which requires extraordinary evidence. I've done the research, and I have not seen evidence to support this claim. However, if you have it I'd be interested in seeing it.

Now, back to the point...do you have evidence to support your claim?

People also lived to be like 40-50 years old back then and died of so many trivial things thats it not even worth listing vs today where people live to be average 70 plus yet food value is down etc. Granted alot of people are sick when they get older but that has more to do with inactivity among other things.

Seen it?
Hmm half my family has had heart problems and cancers due to high intakes of saturated fats and frying every goddam thing in lard butter etc, but thats ok because humans have been eating saturated fat and meat forever.Sure as hell wasnt oat bran they unclogged from my dad when he had that angioplasty 2 months ago.


if you really want to do scientific research there are literally 1000's of studies done on the positive effects of diets high in fibre lower in fat and moderate in meate etc. And you can find 1000's of studies done on the long term effects of stuff you advocate as well.

What I am saying for anything and everything we talk about on here and post studies about will have many more studies and contradict.

Again Rusty what are your credentials. I want to know what makes you so right about everything and such an expert.

 

[Frosty]

People also lived to be like 40-50 years old back then and died of so many trivial things thats it not even worth listing vs today where people live to be average 70 plus yet food value is down etc. Granted alot of people are sick when they get older but that has more to do with inactivity among other things.

You are misusing statistic here. Do you know the difference between life expectancy at birth vs. at 18 years of age?

Let me give you a little piece of trivia to show what I mean. Back when they first did the life expectacy statistics, the late 1700s, the average life expectancy at birth was somewhere around 36 years. Yet, check out a list of some of the important people in and around that time period:

George Washington 67
Ben Franklin 84
John Adams 91
Thomas Jefferson 83
James Madison 85
James Monroe 73
Andrew Jackson 78
Aaron Burr 80
Martin Van Buren 80
John Marshall 80
William Penn 74
Samuel Adams 81
Paul Revere 83
George Washington Carver 79

Many of these people were battle-hardened invdividuals as well. The youngest was Washington at 67, yet he was a veteran of two wars. Definitely not an easy life, yet he exceeded the life expectancy by 1.89 times. Do we see any people over the age of 140? Or how about John Adams, living to be about 2.56 times the life expectancy? Do we see people living to be 200 years old?

No, of course not. The reason is you are abusing statistics and misrepresenting them. The reason the average life expectancy at birth has gone up is due to modern emergency medicine which prevents a lot of deaths. That is not representative of the health of the population, and you cannot extrapolate those numbers to indicate the results of diet. Not to mention many people did not exactly eat healthy back then, either. Lots of bread and other such things.

Infertility is dramatically rising today. Why is that? Because of high saturated fat intake? Humans have eaten high fat for a great deal of their existance on earth, and evidence that it did not cause infertility is the fact that we are here. What is it today that is causing infertility? Processed foods and a lack of nutrients?

Seen it?
Hmm half my family has had heart problems and cancers due to high intakes of saturated fats and frying every goddam thing in lard butter etc, but thats ok because humans have been eating saturated fat and meat forever.Sure as hell wasnt oat bran they unclogged from my dad when he had that angioplasty 2 months ago.

How did you come to that conclusion? How did you manage to isolate the variable "high saturated fat intake" from everything else?

Do you know that most of the fat deposits on arterial walls is polyunsaturated?

I'd like to know how you reached the conclusion that saturated fat was the cause. What evidence do you have?

What I am saying for anything and everything we talk about on here and post studies about will have many more studies and contradict.

I agree completely. But if there is no evidence to support your claims, then why would you make the decision to do something that has no supportive evidence?

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Again Rusty what are your credentials. I want to know what makes you so right about everything and such an expert.

The reason you get NO response to that question is because he has no formal education in nutrition or anything related. He has learned it all thru reading some books.

At least that was what he told me when I enquired about the subject.

 

[Frosty]

The reason you get NO response to that question is because he has no formal education in nutrition or anything related. He has learned it all thru reading some books.

At least that was what he told me when I enquired about the subject.

Yes, you are correct.

And I challenge you to find fault with what I say.

 

[Milhouse]

You are misusing statistic here. Do you know the difference between life expectancy at birth vs. at 18 years of age?

Let me give you a little piece of trivia to show what I mean. Back when they first did the life expectacy statistics, the late 1700s, the average life expectancy at birth was somewhere around 36 years. Yet, check out a list of some of the important people in and around that time period:

George Washington 67
Ben Franklin 84
John Adams 91
Thomas Jefferson 83
James Madison 85
James Monroe 73
Andrew Jackson 78
Aaron Burr 80
Martin Van Buren 80
John Marshall 80
William Penn 74
Samuel Adams 81
Paul Revere 83
George Washington Carver 79

Many of these people were battle-hardened invdividuals as well. The youngest was Washington at 67, yet he was a veteran of two wars. Definitely not an easy life, yet he exceeded the life expectancy by 1.89 times. Do we see any people over the age of 140? Or how about John Adams, living to be about 2.56 times the life expectancy? Do we see people living to be 200 years old?

No, of course not. The reason is you are abusing statistics and misrepresenting them. The reason the average life expectancy at birth has gone up is due to modern emergency medicine which prevents a lot of deaths. That is not representative of the health of the population, and you cannot extrapolate those numbers to indicate the results of diet. Not to mention many people did not exactly eat healthy back then, either. Lots of bread and other such things.

Infertility is dramatically rising today. Why is that? Because of high saturated fat intake? Humans have eaten high fat for a great deal of their existance on earth, and evidence that it did not cause infertility is the fact that we are here. What is it today that is causing infertility? Processed foods and a lack of nutrients?



How did you come to that conclusion? How did you manage to isolate the variable "high saturated fat intake" from everything else?

Do you know that most of the fat deposits on arterial walls is polyunsaturated?

I'd like to know how you reached the conclusion that saturated fat was the cause. What evidence do you have?



I agree completely. But if there is no evidence to support your claims, then why would you make the decision to do something that has no supportive evidence?

There is no evedence that supports any of your claims without being heavily cotradicted, and I mean heavily contradicted several 1000 times over about your thoughts on saturated fats

So nelson, oops I mean rusty, What are your credentials?

PS Ben Franklin was apparently a vegetarian