High blood pressure.

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pullinbig

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I have noticed a lot of guys saying that this was one of the sides they experience while ON. This is a side for me as well but i have learned to controll it with out BP meds. here's the deeleo and this has worked for everyone who has tried that i have spoken/shared with. Now dont ask me all the specifics as to why this works and how that works because i have a partial understanding of it all but just know that it WORKS.

800mg magnesium/d
800mg potasium/d
1-1.5g calcium/d
200mg coQ10/d
2-3 tablespoons fish oil or cod liver oil(real tbls)/d
several cups green tea/d
add hawthorn berry if you like.

this knocked 30 points of my diastolic in 2 weeks and 25 points off my systolic as well. My HR also dropped considerably as well.

now adding Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and anti Es will also help. I just listed the natural approach. Of course cardio helps too.

good luck guys and i think you'll be pleasantly surpised.
 
I dont know my all time high increase of BP but I know I've measured a 20 point increase without my letrozole, not good.
 
blackbeard said:
PB knows other things besides squat,deads and bench??:p good post bro
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bro when you do a 2 year cycle you have to learn to keep sides to a minimum. after a 6 week break im back in at about 12 weeks or. Just added cyp about a month ago and its just starting to kick. i just look fuller and feel stronger and havent gained a pound.

i just orderd a bunch of hcg so i am gonna do that instead of clo this time for the nabs.

i will also add that i brought a little to the table when i came here but I have learned a lot too. I just wanna say thanks to all the posters who share thier experinces and results. real time data rules.
 
pullinbig said:
bro when you do a 2 year cycle you have to learn to keep sides to a minimum. after a 6 week break im back in at about 12 weeks or. Just added cyp about a month ago and its just starting to kick. i just look fuller and feel stronger and havent gained a pound.

i just orderd a bunch of hcg so i am gonna do that instead of clo this time for the nabs.

i will also add that i brought a little to the table when i came here but I have learned a lot too. I just wanna say thanks to all the posters who share thier experinces and results. real time data rules.
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PB you bring a lot to the table i was just playin with ya..i can always learn something which is the reason i visit these boards..i learned something by reading your post!! TY
 
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pullinbig said:
no ty. cant wait til you become a market maker. we gonna be rich. yea haw. =0)
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its all part of the master plan lol..just out of curiousity i know your focus is strength but did you feel a long cycle was more beneficial than say a bunch of shorter ones?
 
I have been thinking about running a long cycle a year or two down the road as well. Did your gains taper? What are some things to take into consideration when planning a long cycle (a year) like that?

Thanks bro
Taurus
 
i did cycles within cycles. changed up my doses and hormones every 12 week os so. test was pretty constant but i dropped it the last 12 weeks of the 2 year cycle.

i kept a close eye on sides as well, esp BP. of all the hormones i did tren/test combo was the worst on my bp. i was able to keep it reasonable even during heavier cycling times, 5g+/w. my cruising periods were around 2g/w. the only reason i came off is because we moved and i couldnt get to the gym for about 4-5 weeks. i didnt see the need to be juicing if i couldnt train.

my gains remained fairly constant. obviuosly during heavy cycling they were better but even when cruising gains continued. also depending on what hormones i used my weight fluxuated between 290 and 310. One time i got down to 280 when i was doing straight tren at 300mg/d for four weeks. tren is some whicked stuff. couldnt sleep or eat but my strength went thru the roof. all i was god for was lifting. =0) i used ana and clo to battle sides and at times went as high as 4mg/d of ana to fight bloat. it worked too. normal doses when needed where 1mg/d. some hormones are rougher on the body than others as well. i did a fair amount of gh during the 2 year run. last go round was 10iu/d for 60days. noticable strength gains and i added some quality weight.

oh well so thats some of my experience with a 2 year cycle. I full believe that staying on that long really gives the body time tyo acclimate to the new found weight and strength. therefore the body will not try to revert back as it does from short cycles. i came off for 6 weeks and never missed a beat. even not going to the gym for 5 weeks when i started back my strength was where i left it. i did drop a few pounds but that was more because of a lack of food. i just didnt eat during my time off like i normally do.

hope this helps guys.
 
pullinbig said:

oh well so thats some of my experience with a 2 year cycle. I full believe that staying on that long really gives the body time tyo acclimate to the new found weight and strength. therefore the body will not try to revert back as it does from short cycles. i came off for 6 weeks and never missed a beat. even not going to the gym for 5 weeks when i started back my strength was where i left it. i did drop a few pounds but that was more because of a lack of food. i just didnt eat during my time off like i normally do.

hope this helps guys.
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That is sick!
Good info on the high BP too. :D
 
helps a lot PB thanks..one of these days ill try some tren..sounds like the perfect drug..i mean what more can you ask for strength/size even while on reduced cals..
 
Thanks for the info PB. I hope there are some guys like you around when my body and more importantly the time I have in my life is ready to take on a long cycle like that. It has to be quite complicated designing something so intircate. I have heard much the same thing as you said in your post, that when you do cycles that last upwards of a year you really keep all of the gains that you make. It makes sense that your body will keep it if it has more time to acclimate itself to the new weight and strength.

It seems to me like GH during a long cycle like that is a must. You must have spent a small fortune for those 2 years on GH and Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) and supplements in general....

But it sure as hell was worth it wasn't it!!! :-)

Take care bro,
Taurus
 
well with the price of powders it is very inexpensive. the gh is pricey even at discount prices. it is a great hormone at moderate to high doses but to me not worth the moola. but i did it and don’t regret the knowledge i gained.

as far as designing a long cycle it was not difficult. to be honest i tried as many different combos as i could. Experience is far better than book sense any day. dont get me wrong i read a lot but some times there is so much conflicting data that you just gotta try something to see what its gonna do. I dispelled some myths and discovered some new info as well.

i would not recommend this kinda cycle to anyone but if you choose to do it then have fun. it is an awesome experience. the knowledge i gained has benefited me and many others. prolly half the guys i train are clean but the other half has really benefited from my experience.

best combo i did for strength gains was test/tren/winny. most surprising drug was eq. at high doses (1g/w) it is very effective. masteron was a little disappointing to me. of course i only ran 700mg/w for about 4 months but was expecting it to be sim to tren. it is not. maybe if i had gone to a g/w it may have been different. i am gonna try it again at that dose but last time i used it my hair started falling out pretty bad. finasteride corrected the prob though. i also found out that deca and tren stack very well together regardless of what people say. very effective and the sides where minimal.
 
I would have never thought that the sides experienced with tren and deca would have been minimal. I can understand the gains being good though.

I can only imagine how much you learned druing 2 years on.

Did you run dbol during the 2 years. Was it as a bridge or part of your actual cycle? Or both?

What did you normally bridge with?

Thanks agian,
Taurus
 
no dbol, anadrol or halo. Winstrol (winny) was the only oral i used cept for a four week stint with m1t. i had to try it and it is very effective.

bridging? lolololololol i coasted for 8-12 weeks or so on 2+g/w before upping doses again to 5+g/w for several weeks. but if you gonna bridge 500mg/w of long ester test works well. DC advocates this kinda cycle. he stays on year round but hits it hard for about 4 weeks then bridges for a couple then ups it again. it works well for him obviously as he is a fellow 300lber.

on a side note:

are these amounts of drugs (5g/w) necessary for the average gym rat? NO. are they necessary for the guy who competes at the local level? NO. but if you compete on the world class stage as some on this board do then they may be beneficial. Am i saying not to try these amount unless you a world class athlete? NO. just be educated and prepared if you give it a whirl. when you get into the 2-3g/w of test you gonna see some major changes in body comp and strength. tren in the 1-2g/w range will have drastic impact on your body. In my experience thses two are the main players. its a simple stack with incredible results.

you guys be safe and keep an eye on sides.
 
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PB, what was the highest your BP ever? I am going to start my first cycle soon (500 mg/week of prop). My BP now is 109/76. I can have it tested as much as I need in my Exercise Physiology lab...lucky to be a student.
 
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