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MS1605
ChiCompton
Fuck you guys at least you got a twin. Im on a busted ass couch. But like you said 3J, Gotta pay them bills.
Brandon, Wait bro. Im almost 24, have been going to gyms since I was born since my family owned one and i'm still sitting on my first cycle. you don't want to find your self posting in the "Post your first stupid cycle when you didn't know any better" thread. Pick up a few books on the subject and post any questions here. I have been on this board a very short time but feel blessed I found it because there is a lot of knowledge here and plenty of people willing to help. I know its hard when your young and have dreams of being huge...
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Brandon, Wait bro. Im almost 24, have been going to gyms since I was born since my family owned one and i'm still sitting on my first cycle. you don't want to find your self posting in the "Post your first stupid cycle when you didn't know any better" thread. Pick up a few books on the subject and post any questions here. I have been on this board a very short time but feel blessed I found it because there is a lot of knowledge here and plenty of people willing to help. I know its hard when your young and have dreams of being huge...
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I_feel_nothing
Scientologist
I'm sorry bro but this is terrible advice. Telling someone they are too young for gear is good advice but then telling them to do something that will do just as much damage to their endocrine system and stunt their growth just as well as real gear, without even giving him the benefits of real gear is just awful.
BrandonMBW
New member
Okay so how does one preform a good cycle? I'm under the impression eat well, lift consecutively and proper, and see what happens.
3J
Super Moderator
telling someone to not do gear, and do prohormones is terrible advice?? recall i put an emphasis on diet..
and since when did prohormones jack up your hpta?? i did prohormones at 18 and didn't do squat to me.. if anything it raises your test levels a bit...
i think your blowing the situation out of proportion here bud..
dont get me wrong.. your making a point with your post.. and the opinion is appreciated.. but to say its horrible advice???
what you dont know is that the OP is currently being critiqued by me in the diet section and we're getting him on the right track.. a coupla years of natural growth and prohormones isn't gonna hurt him... they are otc compounds... try to remember that..
AnonEagle
New member
are you sure they don't affect your HPTA function? while i've never done any pro-hormones, MANY of my team mates around here do. i've always heard around and on here that they can shut you down, just maybe not as hard.
just because they're legal i wouldn't think would make them necessarily so much more safe.
for example look at spawn, basically a combo of epistane and tren, and supposed to outperform superdrol. i hear from a lot of people that it can outperform a lot of milder AAS cycles.
any chance you've read a good article or study somewhere? i've never seemed to be able to find anything concrete on prohormones either way, and the opinions on here seem to differ widely.
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MS1605
ChiCompton
Well I never thought I would publicly disagree with a mod on here seeing as how I would be the first one to admit my Noob status but I have been reading Articles on PH's ever since Gasperi Released Halodrol 50 and yes, It does have an effect on your HPTA. I Would also agree that it is horrible advice. Why? not because its a horrible idea that he takes PH's but because you came off like PH's are no big deal and there are no negative effects to taking them without being educated.
Now whether or not that is how you meant it is a different story. And even if you are counseling him in another forum, its not cool to come off like PH's are A'OK to take uneducated because there a lot of newbs like myself who read every post on here trying to make informative decisions. It sucks when someone says something half hazerdly without fully explaining themselves because it could really end up screwing someone up.
I say this with all due respect 3J. I'm defiantly not here to make enemies but I do agree that was some bad public advice without further explanation. I hope you understand where I'm coming from.
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Now whether or not that is how you meant it is a different story. And even if you are counseling him in another forum, its not cool to come off like PH's are A'OK to take uneducated because there a lot of newbs like myself who read every post on here trying to make informative decisions. It sucks when someone says something half hazerdly without fully explaining themselves because it could really end up screwing someone up.
I say this with all due respect 3J. I'm defiantly not here to make enemies but I do agree that was some bad public advice without further explanation. I hope you understand where I'm coming from.
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3J
Super Moderator
well well.. it seems im being attacked... in my days, PH's were simple test boosters.. they dropped your estro levels to increase test levels... and not by much...
iv heard of compounds these days that mess with your hpta, like some compound called tren extreme a friend of mine took, couldn't get a hard on while he was on it... but in no way did i mean for the OP to take anything of that sort...
again, this is a matter of progression.. correct diet/training.. add weight.. then get into prohormones, add weight, then, by 24-25, add gear... he has alotta time on his hands...
there are alotta compounds under fda investigation these days, iv read more then one article..
i guess i should have clarified.. and everyone here is entitled to an opinion..
just cuz there's a mod status under my sn doesn't mean im better or worse then the next guy... so if u have something to debate, bring it up.. if you disagree, bring it up..
we're not here to shut anyone down, at least within the limitations of the rules...
3J
Super Moderator
but i can clearly see where the miscommuncation would come....
let me clarify, esp to the OP.. when i mean pro-hormones, im speaking of those that lower your estrogen levels and cause your body to raise its test levels to bring back the 10 to 1 ratio of test vs estrogen.. in doing so. you can add more size and do it fairly safely, without need of a pct..
this new crap that im hearing about that costs the price of 3 cycles and can cause gyno is not what i was talking about...
maybe im just old skoo.. but thats what im talking about when i say pro-hormones...
but i digress.. and would like to add that im happy to see such sharp members here looking out for each other... well done guys
let me clarify, esp to the OP.. when i mean pro-hormones, im speaking of those that lower your estrogen levels and cause your body to raise its test levels to bring back the 10 to 1 ratio of test vs estrogen.. in doing so. you can add more size and do it fairly safely, without need of a pct..
this new crap that im hearing about that costs the price of 3 cycles and can cause gyno is not what i was talking about...
maybe im just old skoo.. but thats what im talking about when i say pro-hormones...
but i digress.. and would like to add that im happy to see such sharp members here looking out for each other... well done guys
Getting laid at 5'10" tall is a lot easier than being a muscled up 5'7" its just the cold, hard truth.
I am 35 and doing test replacement, and I am still going to spend 1500 bucks this year, doing nothing but test, hcg, and arimedex.
This includes the cost of a good doctor(the cheapest testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doc i could find)
What I am not including is my health insurance, which is 400 a month for just my wife and I.
does your dick work and you yank off 10 times a day, wake up with morning wood?
You don't have to worry about limp dick now, which I suspect almost anyone will have for at least a little while going off a cycle.
Think about it Brando....
You are only 19 years old? At this point in time your body is already naturally producing a lot of testosterone, and if you put the time in in the gym you will gain muscle pretty quickly. (definitely not as Quickly as you would have using various AAS) Maybe lift for a few more years and when you start hitting those plateaus in a couple years consider it again later. Nineteen is just too young un my opinion.
You are only 19 years old? At this point in time your body is already naturally producing a lot of testosterone, and if you put the time in in the gym you will gain muscle pretty quickly. (definitely not as Quickly as you would have using various AAS) Maybe lift for a few more years and when you start hitting those plateaus in a couple years consider it again later. Nineteen is just too young un my opinion.
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I_feel_nothing
Scientologist
ok, understandable. just fyi, there are plenty of prohormones out there that are comparable to the real deal in terms of gains and especially in terms of sides. Alot of them would close growth plates just as well as the real stuff. Just because you can buy it at bbing.com or GNC doesn't mean it should be used by anyone who shouldn't be using real gas. Superdrol, for one, comes to mind.
Cheappinz
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You're not old enough to get into a nightclub or buy beer at the grocery store. This is not meant as an insult. You are over 18 and able to die for your country, so I believe you should be able to do what you want to and with your body. I just don't think a 19 yo with under 2 years of dedicated exercise history has any business taking drugs that if you sold, could wind you up in jail.
Work out hard, be consistent, dedicated, and do it for years. Eat right and research. After a few years, you will be the best you can be naturally, you will be eating right, and you will be well educated by your own efforts(not by the advise of strangers posting to you online who may not know their ass from their elbow). Atleast then if you are still interested in such things, you will be older, smarter, and know you exhausted all other avenues. Be natural for now. Its the right thing to do.
Work out hard, be consistent, dedicated, and do it for years. Eat right and research. After a few years, you will be the best you can be naturally, you will be eating right, and you will be well educated by your own efforts(not by the advise of strangers posting to you online who may not know their ass from their elbow). Atleast then if you are still interested in such things, you will be older, smarter, and know you exhausted all other avenues. Be natural for now. Its the right thing to do.
