How long does HRT detox last

[Jparker82]

I wasn't given a choice. I had to stop HRT due to high RBC 6.02 Hema 18.4 HCT 54.4. I can't donate blood due to low platelets. They where ok for awhile but now in the 80's. This really sucks. I was feeling great. But I was starting to have physical issues like blurred vision. I was unable to focus for 30 minutes on three different occasions.

I was at 459 when I started HRT and have been on it for about 6 months. How long until my body starts making T again. It's been three weeks without a shot and THIS SUCKS.

My endo is fine with me taking it but he is also aggressive. But I have been warned by several Dr at Mayo that my body is warning me and I needed to immediately stop. I begged for a phelbotomy and a platelet transfusion but they wouldn't consider it.

SO THE BIG ? How long does detox last ?

Thanks

 

[Alpin]

My docs will order a phlebotomy at 51-54 max...
They would tell me to lower dose rather than stop completely.
Sounds like you were left unmonitored for a while. RBC should have been monitored 8 weeks ( starting) to make sure its not climbing too fast.
Horrible docs you have they put you on TRT with 459 ng/dl TT and would not even order a phlebotomy.
You can go on your own to do a whole blood donation can't you?
T is totally gone after 4 weeks of stopping. You would be back at "baselines" at that point.

 

[Alpin]

How old r u?

 

[Megatron28]

You are going to have to do a restart to get your HPTA going again. Give it two or three weeks and then start taking a combination of Clomid and Nolva. During the time off I would take hCG to help restore some size to your testicles. Your docs should be able to walk you through the restart protocols. But don't just stop cold turkey without doing a restart protocol. Your HPTA needs help getting started again after six months of TRT.

Once you do get restarted again (hopefully) you should discuss some of the alternative Testosterone replacement therapies with your doc that would not raise hematocrit. These include Arimidex or Clomid monotherapies.

Good luck! Let us know how it is going.

 

[Alpin]

You are going to have to do a restart to get your HPTA going again. Give it two or three weeks and then start taking a combination of Clomid and Nolva. During the time off I would take hCG to help restore some size to your testicles. Your docs should be able to walk you through the restart protocols. But don't just stop cold turkey without doing a restart protocol. Your HPTA needs help getting started again after six months of TRT.

Once you do get restarted again (hopefully) you should discuss some of the alternative Testosterone replacement therapies with your doc that would not raise hematocrit. These include Arimidex or Clomid monotherapies.

Good luck! Let us know how it is going.

I doubt they will give him any such advice/protocol.
They put him on TRT with 459 TT after all.
Armidex mono is iffy...

 

[Jparker82]

My docs will order a phlebotomy at 51-54 max...
They would tell me to lower dose rather than stop completely.
Sounds like you were left unmonitored for a while. RBC should have been monitored 8 weeks ( starting) to make sure its not climbing too fast.
Horrible docs you have they put you on TRT with 459 ng/dl TT and would not even order a phlebotomy.

You can go on your own to do a whole blood donation can't you?
T is totally gone after 4 weeks of stopping. You would be back at "baselines" at that point.

I can't donate blood. Platelets are to low. Endo did suggest lowering dose. Mayo clinic said stop immediately. My counts where on the high end even before I started HRT. I had my counts checked every couple weeks. So no bad doc here. Mayo is known for staying inside the box. They practice defensive medicine. The WONT deviate from approved Mayo guidelines. Simply stated Mayo clinic does not believe in the need for HRT and if it is needed it MUST be one of there approved replacements. (Pharm money)

That being said.... The Question was how long does detox last and your body starts producing T naturally again? If ever?

 

[Megatron28]

I doubt they will give him any such advice/protocol.
They put him on TRT with 459 TT after all.
Armidex mono is iffy...

That's why guys come here! For the advice.

You were on Arimidex monotherapy. And in Canada of all places!

 

[Jparker82]

I wasn't pit on therapy for level at 459. I was put on because of chronic high FSH.

 

[Jparker82]

You are going to have to do a restart to get your HPTA going again. Give it two or three weeks and then start taking a combination of Clomid and Nolva. During the time off I would take hCG to help restore some size to your testicles. Your docs should be able to walk you through the restart protocols. But don't just stop cold turkey without doing a restart protocol. Your HPTA needs help getting started again after six months of TRT.

Once you do get restarted again (hopefully) you should discuss some of the alternative Testosterone replacement therapies with your doc that would not raise hematocrit. These include Arimidex or Clomid monotherapies.

Good luck! Let us know how it is going.

Thanks. Will call Dr in AM.

 

[Alpin]

That's why guys come here! For the advice.

You were on Arimidex monotherapy. And in Canada of all places!

Self prescribed though.

 

[Megatron28]

Self prescribed though.

Say it isn't so!!!

 

[Alpin]

Say it isn't so!!!

Ya well, after that GP conned me saying if I stop TRT I would get back my natty levels of 580 TT because we were treating the cause of it (sleep apnea). I just stayed on a low dose E3D. All it did was keep a closer ratio of estradiol and Test.
I believe and waiting to confirm by labs this week that there is more estrogen in ones system than Test if hypogonadal.

 

[Alpin]

I wasn't pit on therapy for level at 459. I was put on because of chronic high FSH.

How high?

 

[halfwit]

Interesting how you state you have low platelets, yet your HCT indicates the exact opposite. Exogenous testosterone forces your red bone marrow to generate all solid components of blood at an accelerated rate.

Have you ever been to a red cross to see what they say? Platelet Apheresis has definitely become my weapon of choice in keeping HCT at bay - so it may not hurt to get a second opinion on this matter.

Elevated FSH? Is this treatment supposed to act as a form of birth control? I'm obviously not all knowing, but I cannot imagine a health care provider that tends to go "by the book" treating such a condition in this manner. Strange.

Anyway, it's not being "toxic", it's your body reacting as it thinks it should and will attempt to return to homeostasis within 6 weeks or so.

I agree with Mega in that you should see about restarting your hpta as it will be a bumpy ride for sure.

My .02c

 

[Jparker82]

Interesting how you state you have low platelets, yet your HCT indicates the exact opposite. Exogenous testosterone forces your red bone marrow to generate all solid components of blood at an accelerated rate.

Have you ever been to a red cross to see what they say? Platelet Apheresis has definitely become my weapon of choice in keeping HCT at bay - so it may not hurt to get a second opinion on this matter.

Elevated FSH? Is this treatment supposed to act as a form of birth control? I'm obviously not all knowing, but I cannot imagine a health care provider that tends to go "by the book" treating such a condition in this manner. Strange.

Anyway, it's not being "toxic", it's your body reacting as it thinks it should and will attempt to return to homeostasis within 6 weeks or so.



I agree with Mega in that you should see about restarting your hpta as it will be a bumpy ride for sure.

My .02c

Yep you would of thought that my Platelets would of also risen. They did for a while was amazed the got over 150 so was my hematologist. I don't really want to go into a long story. But my body is fried from 10 years of bad meds.

There is no way I can donate blood without platelet transfusions. I have spoke with my GP at Mayo the Hematology dept at Mayo both my local endo and hematologist.I also have an appt on the 10th with another Hematologist to see if he has a solution for me to stay on HRT.

Long story short if I start donating blood other things could crash and put me in a really bad place.

Thanks for info.

 

[Megatron28]

Yep you would of thought that my Platelets would of also risen. They did for a while was amazed the got over 150 so was my hematologist. I don't really want to go into a long story. But my body is fried from 10 years of bad meds.

There is no way I can donate blood without platelet transfusions. I have spoke with my GP at Mayo the Hematology dept at Mayo both my local endo and hematologist.I also have an appt on the 10th with another Hematologist to see if he has a solution for me to stay on HRT.

Long story short if I start donating blood other things could crash and put me in a really bad place.

Thanks for info.

You could lower your TRT dose. Or try the alternative TRT monotherapies I mentioned earlier, but they are not as good as injections.

 

[Alpin]

For what it's worth I maintained a TT level of 582 ng/dl with Adex mono 0.25 mg EOD while off HCG mono years ago. It was alright if I had to go away for a couple months as I could not use the HCG if traveling. Might have been too much..
E3D dose is alright to. Keep an eye on not lowering estradiol too much.

 

[halfwit]

Yep you would of thought that my Platelets would of also risen. They did for a while was amazed the got over 150 so was my hematologist. I don't really want to go into a long story. But my body is fried from 10 years of bad meds.

There is no way I can donate blood without platelet transfusions. I have spoke with my GP at Mayo the Hematology dept at Mayo both my local endo and hematologist.I also have an appt on the 10th with another Hematologist to see if he has a solution for me to stay on HRT.

Long story short if I start donating blood other things could crash and put me in a really bad place.

Thanks for info.

How's the diet? It's just very rare to have a low platelet count with such high hemoglobin/hematocrit as far as I've seen. Are you considered anemic or have a spleen disorder by chance?

I've seen a few instances where folks were severely malnourished, rendering their bodies incapable of making certain blood components as they lack the raw materials needed to make them.

I just hate seeing docs recommending cessation of therapy when the root cause has nothing to do with the treatment. What was your initial value of total testosterone if you don't mind me asking?

 

[Mprtz]

I don't know if RBC apheresis is ever used for therapeutic purposes, but in theory it should provide you what you need - lowering of hct with minimal loss of platelets.

 

[Jparker82]

How's the diet? It's just very rare to have a low platelet count with such high hemoglobin/hematocrit as far as I've seen. Are you considered anemic or have a spleen disorder by chance?

I've seen a few instances where folks were severely malnourished, rendering their bodies incapable of making certain blood components as they lack the raw materials needed to make them.

I just hate seeing docs recommending cessation of therapy when the root cause has nothing to do with the treatment. What was your initial value of total testosterone if you don't mind me asking?

My diet is perfect. I have ITP and Pernicious anemia. I was having a lot of issues with blood long before I started HRT.