weavy88
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yup, that's what i plan on doing after this blast. It will be my first time cruising and i also plan on using 200mg/week. tell me, how well can you keep gains on that dosage?
How long does it take you to lose your strength and size...
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yup, that's what i plan on doing after this blast. It will be my first time cruising and i also plan on using 200mg/week. tell me, how well can you keep gains on that dosage?
A whole lot better i mean way way better than coming off, if your on hard core shit like lets say tren you still lose that hard dry exagerated look but you hold onto alot of muscle. At 200mg your still better off than a average human being i dint know the science to it but i use to lose all size and look like my average blubbery self after pct it wasnt until i cruised that i stopped taking steps backwards and was able to keep advancing in the next blast. If you tolerate test well 300mgs is better but i didnt have money to keep monitoring my bw so 200 was a good dose for me if you can afford mast always stay on
weavy88
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eeeeexcellent. that is exactly what i was hoping to hear
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Holy crap!!! LOL
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How old are you? Any time you inject test you are risking losing your natural test production. I'm on dr prescribe TRT but I'm 38 any havent touched AAS.
If your natural levels are 600 ish and you start injecting you may only recover to 500 ish. Its a chance you take.
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U definantly lose a lil after a cycle. Last run I kept 12 pounds only by the time my next cycle started. Ive done my research I would not attempt to do something I know nothing about however SOME of you guys have experience that I don't. Help me out. I don't experience to many issue with side effects but with test500ew and dbol 20 ed when I start pct what would be the best route. I used clomid ed for 4 weeks last time just with test e . What can I do diff.
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Basically, I cruised on Test C for 6 years... I just went off, no pct, no nothing. My natural test did come back, it took some time but it did come back.
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this is very true.. muscle memory is amazing. Add AAS to muscle memory and that is very powerful. The only reason I've been able to put on 29 pounds in 7 weeks,, coming back from a health issue, muscle memory + AAS.
now in the few years that I've taken AAS and if I would not have had a major injury and surgery where I was half paralyzed and bed ridden for 4 months, and out of the gym for 9 months.. and then coming back from that and putting on 24 pounds and training and using 3js diet, , and then after that another health condition leaving me out of the game for 8 months, this time loosing 30 pounds.. shit, If I would of just stayed moving forward and taking AAS this whole time without the injuries,, the gains would all be steady.
with muscle memory and AAS - getting back those original gains is much much easier then getting them in the first place -- the body just blows up close to what it used to be, then you can progress from there. but man I wish I didn't have those injuries, I'd easily be over one third my original body weight then when starting AAS.
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Yeah man when I started that long run I was 23 and it was my first cycle. Well what was suppose to be a 12-week test cycle turned into 6 years. I thought I was fully dedicated and had made up my mind that I was staying on forever. Because like you, I also don't believe in the on/off/on/off/on/off thing (I really don't see how thats good for the body). Honestly, it seems healthier just to stay on. To me its like when you go on/off/on/off you are essentially just confusing the hell out of your body until its just like "what the fuck." Having a steady flow of testosterone year around has always seemed like the best way to go to me. But of course life happens, money problems happen, drug problems happen. (a lot of the time I would do drugs to combat the depression from crashing so hard off the test, it was ridicules). So moral of the story is stay on test is my recommendation... I'm slowly getting back to that point where I was, and this time wont have to waste 8-10 weeks...
Hypnotix
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This topic has been brought up numerous times just since I've been here. Guess how it always ends?
Zilla comes in a lays out a few studies proving that muscle built beyond an individual's limits, will go away.. muscle built within the users limits will stay, provided their diet and training is adequate
It's not so cut and dry as you guys are making it.. there are different scenarios depending on the individuals using.
If subject A is 5'8", 225, 20% BF.. does a cycle and reaches 245 and maintains his bf.. odds are he's 20lbs outside of his limit and will slowly taper down over the next 2-3 months or more (depending on the individual)
But, let's say subject B was 180, 15% and did a cycle yielding 20lbs and maintaining the same bf.. he'll be 200lbs, at 15%.. that will absolutely not go away if the user increased his caloric intake appropriately. That may very well be close to that individuals potential, but it's capable of being maintained.
PCT is here for our safety, not for preservation of mass anyhow.. If you really want to preserve mass beyond your genetic potential, consider TRT.
Zilla comes in a lays out a few studies proving that muscle built beyond an individual's limits, will go away.. muscle built within the users limits will stay, provided their diet and training is adequate
It's not so cut and dry as you guys are making it.. there are different scenarios depending on the individuals using.
If subject A is 5'8", 225, 20% BF.. does a cycle and reaches 245 and maintains his bf.. odds are he's 20lbs outside of his limit and will slowly taper down over the next 2-3 months or more (depending on the individual)
But, let's say subject B was 180, 15% and did a cycle yielding 20lbs and maintaining the same bf.. he'll be 200lbs, at 15%.. that will absolutely not go away if the user increased his caloric intake appropriately. That may very well be close to that individuals potential, but it's capable of being maintained.
PCT is here for our safety, not for preservation of mass anyhow.. If you really want to preserve mass beyond your genetic potential, consider TRT.
I think I agree with everything you said even though I don't understand it all lol
Trt by a clinic is by far the safest route to take the problem is a lot of us can't afford those expensive clinics
I'm just confused about the part of PCT being here for our safety I don't see what can possibly be so bad
if we're really serious about our goals TRT eventually is going to be inevitable
I'm not even sure if inevitable is the right word it just sounds fancy so I used it
I just don't see the point in wanting to return natty being natural from a bodybuilding perspective sucks, not only that people stay natural for 3 months and do this back and fourth until they really need trt
Hypnotix
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Well I'd say that varies from person to person man.
If I want to be 225 and can maintain it naturally, why not use AAS to get there and then just hit a maintenance caloric intake as an enhanced Natty? Some people do not recover in the amount of cycles it takes to get here though, and that would result in TRT.. but some can get there just fine.
If the end goal is to be bigger than that though.. TRT should always be in the back of your head as the inevitable result.
PCT, is to help us get back to normal function quickly. This does help preserve mass I guess initially, but your natural hormones after is what will determine what stays for good. What your body is capable of being. Controlling estrogen post cycle and bringing up natural test levels seems the safe route to me.. As not doing a PCT and losing 30lbs, crashing T, having wild E2 levels.. that doesn't sound safe at all.. idk, I'm just a bro, and all my advice should be taken as bro science and not all complete factual information lol
If I want to be 225 and can maintain it naturally, why not use AAS to get there and then just hit a maintenance caloric intake as an enhanced Natty? Some people do not recover in the amount of cycles it takes to get here though, and that would result in TRT.. but some can get there just fine.
If the end goal is to be bigger than that though.. TRT should always be in the back of your head as the inevitable result.
PCT, is to help us get back to normal function quickly. This does help preserve mass I guess initially, but your natural hormones after is what will determine what stays for good. What your body is capable of being. Controlling estrogen post cycle and bringing up natural test levels seems the safe route to me.. As not doing a PCT and losing 30lbs, crashing T, having wild E2 levels.. that doesn't sound safe at all.. idk, I'm just a bro, and all my advice should be taken as bro science and not all complete factual information lol
Lol i forgot who said the comment the other day that i have a phd in bro science lmao
Hypnotix
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Haha to be real.. we have to admit that we're not chemists, doctors, endos.. and at the end of the day if we don't have a study to back up all this jibber jabber, it's exactly that.. just hear say.
Well yes and no im not a fan of studies because i didn't see them done how can i believe its not tainted? For example the studie going on here how do we knkw everyone answered honestly? Ill listen to a person that lives it does it in his real life over a study anyday. One thing about me im very honest and if i say things its cuz ive experience it
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