How long does it take you to lose your strength and size...

[Hypnotix]

Yeah, what I posted wasn't a study. It was just me summarizing what I meant. What I said though was basically what studies Zilla has posted here say.

Studies he posts are typically pretty professional sounding, public medical docs.. not your average back of a supplement bottle study man

Hear say can be bad sometimes.. not everyone will take Tren as well as you bud! And, most I've seen talk to you don't lol

Typically when I say something, I'll try to cut out personal reasonings and go completely off what I've learned in my researching, or reading veteran posts. Not saying personal experiences aren't useful.. as most of the time sides can be ruled out reading through others experiences.. some things need to be absolute in my opinion. Closure on the matter if you will, and factual information from a well organized study rules that out.

 

[49ER]

Yeah, what I posted wasn't a study. It was just me summarizing what I meant. What I said though was basically what studies Zilla has posted here say.

Studies he posts are typically pretty professional sounding, public medical docs.. not your average back of a supplement bottle study man

Hear say can be bad sometimes.. not everyone will take Tren as well as you bud! And, most I've seen talk to you don't lol

Typically when I say something, I'll try to cut out personal reasonings and go completely off what I've learned in my researching, or reading veteran posts. Not saying personal experiences aren't useful.. as most of the time sides can be ruled out reading through others experiences.. some things need to be absolute in my opinion. Closure on the matter if you will, and factual information from a well organized study rules that out.

Ok fair enough but is there really actually studies on bodybuilders on tren? Is there a laboratory with 100's of bodybuilders sitting around pumping iron? Lol i dont think theres real studies maybe some on animals im not superior to anybody but if the tren is so toxic why isnt it effecting my organs?

Just about everything on the net is parroted theres no one trying shit and sharing anymore. Most guys posting studys maybe be smart and like to read but havent actually tried what they are preaching about. Everyone says mast tren are useless at high bf well guess what i didnt listen and i am beyond better than i was 2 years ago. My info i got was from real bodybuilders from another site it made sense to me so i tried it and found out alo of stuff said on forums is not always the truth

 

[Hypnotix]

Ok fair enough but is there really actually studies on bodybuilders on tren? Is there a laboratory with 100's of bodybuilders sitting around pumping iron? Lol i dont think theres real studies maybe some on animals im not superior to anybody but if the tren is so toxic why isnt it effecting my organs?

Just about everything on the net is parroted theres no one trying shit and sharing anymore. Most guys posting studys maybe be smart and like to read but havent actually tried what they are preaching about. Everyone says mast tren are useless at high bf well guess what i didnt listen and i am beyond better than i was 2 years ago. My info i got was from real bodybuilders from another site it made sense to me so i tried it and found out alo of stuff said on forums is not always the truth

I have absolutely no idea about Tren. To give you an idea, I know it gets expressed by the lungs and causes a strong cough in some people right after injection. It causes urine to darken?, Night sweats?, Fat Loss? All I can even guess about it. No clue if they've done human studies on it.. And I don't feel comfortable commenting about it's effects to be honest because I've not read much about it.

BUT! In terms of hear say, you may have heard tren was great from somewhere, and you tried it and so it was great for you! You see great results. Another person though, could have read that same advice or thread (whatever).. tried it, and be incapable of telling us how badly it fucked them up..

I'm absolutely not saying Tren is the devil! We could be talking about Mast. DBol.. idc, same concept.. Hear say from one to another can yield different results.. a study at least has a control, a variable and can create a comprehensive overview on the effectiveness and side effects of whatever drug is used.

Keep Calm And Tren On, brother. It's working for you.

 

[SJC]

BTW, I forgot to mention... Every time I would start again after losing everything, I would always pop right back, right back to the size I was where I left off. It would only take me about 8-10 weeks into the cycle and I was rollin. Anyways, I thought that was important to include...

I quit working out for 8 years. When I started again within 6 months I was back to where I left off. That was all natural BTW.

 

[49ER]

I have absolutely no idea about Tren. To give you an idea, I know it gets expressed by the lungs and causes a strong cough in some people right after injection. It causes urine to darken?, Night sweats?, Fat Loss? All I can even guess about it. No clue if they've done human studies on it.. And I don't feel comfortable commenting about it's effects to be honest because I've not read much about it.

BUT! In terms of hear say, you may have heard tren was great from somewhere, and you tried it and so it was great for you! You see great results. Another person though, could have read that same advice or thread (whatever).. tried it, and be incapable of telling us how badly it fucked them up..

I'm absolutely not saying Tren is the devil! We could be talking about Mast. DBol.. idc, same concept.. Hear say from one to another can yield different results.. a study at least has a control, a variable and can create a comprehensive overview on the effectiveness and side effects of whatever drug is used.

Keep Calm And Tren On, brother. It's working for you.

Dam bro i thought you were ignoring me, i just got bailed out of jail i was waiting for a response and went crazy i started punching holes in the wall blacked out and just remember my girlfriend picking .e up. This tren is fucking me up

 

[Beefy Nugz]

This is a good read. I like reading all the different opions and expirences with loosing/gaining muscle.
Although I really don't think anybody is really wrong b/c it's bro science from their personal expierence. I would have to agree with 49er for the most part.

I started lookin in to aas's b/c I have not gained in the gym in years! Making gear my last option. After researching for a year I decided I liked the idea of trt (cruise and blast) over a cycle/pct. Reason being... I knew I didn't have great testosterone to begin with. have always had sorta of a estergen figure when body fat is 20% or higher. And I knew that whatever gains I made on cycle would be lost the moment I came off. Had blood work done 2 weeks before start of first test cycle and was not surprised to find out I have low T. Been on 200 mg's of USA made pharma grade test that I pay $5 for a month supply after insurance, for about 2 months now. Everything is going well as of now and I am feeling much more confident about my first blast as opposed to cycle.

Now if you are making a healthy amount of natural testosterone, then I think a good thought out cycle with PCT to jumpstart natural levels and you would be more inclined to keeping gains post cycle, of course depending on training, diet, and genetics

 

[Roush]

If it wasn't for me getting on trt in the first place. I'd never of starting blasting AAS cycles to begin with. I wouldn't be injecting multiple compounds and have a med cabinet filled with
Test e
Test c
Test p
NPP
Deca
Primo
Masteron
Tren
Hgh
Dbol
Proviron
Tbol

Thanks trt

 

[Beefy Nugz]

If it wasn't for me getting on trt in the first place. I'd never of starting blasting AAS cycles to begin with. I wouldn't be injecting multiple compounds and have a med cabinet filled with
Test e
Test c
Test p
NPP
Deca
Primo
Masteron
Tren
Hgh
Dbol
Proviron
Tbol

Thanks trt

Trt was your gateway drug haha to the AAS world anyway.