How long till you start feeling Tren A?

for me there is no such thing as "feeling" anything...
either my weight goes up, or it doesnt... have never felt any extra pumps, never felt any agression, never felt any change in my sex drive, erection, anything..
only sides i get are a bit water retention from some drugs, and maybe a slight increase in strenght(dont care much).

if i wouldnt get bigger and heavier, i would never tell the difference between on cycle or off cycle no matter what im on...
 
Millertime said:
That's not really gonna do anything.
Anabolics take time to work and even still every cycle i expect results quick and forget this. Just gotta be patient and let several weeks go by.
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that is actually not true... steroids are made for medicine to work, and to work when injected, not to work spme weeks after that...
frontloading raises the hormone levels to the top when u want them to be on top...

tren ace doesnt need no frontload cause its active a few hours after injection, yet you still can "front-pin" one the night before your actual cycle starts just to be on a safe side...

frontloading also does mirracles for long esters, cause long esters doesnt take weeks to start working, it just takes them weeks to elevate the levels to the top, so frontloading a huge dose helps alot...
i have been doin Sustanon (sust) cycles with frontloads, seeing weight increase on day 2...
 
Millertime said:
There isn't an anabolic out there your gonna feel on your second shot. I don't mean to bust your ballz but damn. People who think they can feel it working after a few shots are delusional. It takes weeks regardless of how much of whatever you take.
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suspension maybe.......? for injectables anyway
 
MentzerIsGOD said:
that is actually not true... steroids are made for medicine to work, and to work when injected, not to work spme weeks after that...
frontloading raises the hormone levels to the top when u want them to be on top...

tren ace doesnt need no frontload cause its active a few hours after injection, yet you still can "front-pin" one the night before your actual cycle starts just to be on a safe side...

frontloading also does mirracles for long esters, cause long esters doesnt take weeks to start working, it just takes them weeks to elevate the levels to the top, so frontloading a huge dose helps alot...
i have been doin Sustanon (sust) cycles with frontloads, seeing weight increase on day 2...
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Disagree. Even suspension would not work overnight. It takes time for your body to adjust and start growing. 3 weeks minimum to start really noticing a difference. Ill never understand why guys think gear works overnight. I also will never understand why anyone would take sustanon where it is impossible to regulate the different compounds.
 
the only REAL way to settle this debate would to do a blood test every couple of days from first pin until you see the test escalade
 
Also, this may make me sound dumb (or a genius :p) but you think it could depend on our metabolism/ After all we are injecting a fat into our body... doesnt metabolism play the biggest part in how fast it gets broken down?
 
Millertime said:
Just because that's when you stop gaining water weight doesn't mean its full power! Is that what everyone bases it on is the water weight?
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doesnt make any sense, it would if your talking about the kick of dbol, but in any other cycle it wouldnt make any sense... you would be insinuating that the estrogen kicks in first..
 
Millertime said:
Disagree. Even suspension would not work overnight. It takes time for your body to adjust and start growing. 3 weeks minimum to start really noticing a difference.
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ester doesnt change how fast the drug is active, only how long it is active... there is no such thing as fast and slow esters or drugs, there are only long and short esters...
the second the drug is in your blood its active... only reason why short esters seem to work "faster" is cause they release more stuff in less time...

its bullshit if you belive that pushing 1g of test into your ass wont make any difference next morning to your hormone levels...
 
MentzerIsGOD said:
ester doesnt change how fast the drug is active, only how long it is active... there is no such thing as fast and slow esters or drugs, there are only long and short esters...
the second the drug is in your blood its active... only reason why short esters seem to work "faster" is cause they release more stuff in less time...

its bullshit if you belive that pushing 1g of test into your ass wont make any difference next morning to your hormone levels...
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No. An ester delays the release of the steroid into your blood so less frequent injections are possible. Just bc it's in your body does not mean its active. The ester delays the length of time required for activation. As long as the 17th beta position is blocked (esterification) the steroid cannot exert any influence on the body bc it's prohibited from binding to the androgen receptor. A drug CANNOT be active until its allowed to bind to the appropriate receptor. Pushing one gram of test will raise hormone levels bc some of the release happens within minutes, but peak release times are dependant on the ester so you can keep pushing that 1g but serum levels won't peak until the bond (ester) is broken.

From another board that explains it better.

Esterification temporarily deactivates the steroid molecule. With a chain blocking the 17th beta position, binding to the androgen receptor is not possible (it can exert no activity in the body). In order for the compound to become active the ester must therefore first be removed. This automatically occurs once the compound has filtered into blood circulation, where esterase enzymes quickly cleave off (hydrolyze) the ester chain. This will restore the necessary hydroxyl (OH) group at the 17th beta position, enabling the drug to attach to the appropriate receptor. Now and only now will the steroid be able to have an effect on skeletal muscle tissue.
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