How many mg's are you injecting?

[JOWS6]

Jus' want to get a feel for what is considered an average dosage for men. Please only post the number of MG's that has gotten you up to the upper range of Testosterone. I wish to exclude dosages that only boost T scores to mid-range or out-of-range.

Currently I am taking 50mg's of Test C every 4 days and it's been about 4 weeks. I haven't had a follow-up draw test because doctor wants me to give it at least 8 weeks. Unfortunately, I haven't felt an increase in libido on this dosage.

 

[TR90125]

started at 200mg E5D. Switched to 125mg E3D about a week ago.

Last blood test on day of injection had my total T at 1000

 

[EnhancedAthlete]

200mg Test Cyp every 5 days. Total test came back at >1500 so could have been 1700, 2200 etc. This is a great dose for me in terms of gains in the gym.

 

[cashout]

100mg every 84 hours. Monday 6 am and Thrusaday 6 pm.

My levels say between 1300 ng and 1700 ng.

From what I've read my mgs are pretty conservative but they produce a very marked response for me.

 

[MonsterMedic]

200mg a week is the average effective dose.

 

[JOWS6]

Sorry, I want to clarify. I want to exclude outliers such as dosages that boost levels above the upper limit. So basically, what it takes to get you at 800-1100ng's. Thanks!

 

[MeatHead96]

200mg a week put me at 1022 for Total T

 

[TR90125]

There's a decent chance you may find after your blood work that your dosage is, in fact, an outlier.

 

[zoofus]

200mg weekly puts me >1000. I wouldn't read too much into those ranges. I think it's Labcorp whose is headed up significantly and about to be revised.

 

[JKB]

I would say 150mg weekly would get you right at where you are wanting between 800 - 1200 depending on the day. Do the math, If people who do 200mg weekly have 1500plus levels. If you do 150mg that will get you right at 800 - 1200 and that should be good for you long term. I am telling you this from common sense and I personally do 100mg e5d which comes out to be 140 weekly and thats about where I think I am.

 

[Motiv8ed]

I would say 150mg weekly would get you right at where you are wanting between 800 - 1200 depending on the day. Do the math, If people who do 200mg weekly have 1500plus levels. If you do 150mg that will get you right at 800 - 1200 and that should be good for you long term. I am telling you this from common sense and I personally do 100mg e5d which comes out to be 140 weekly and thats about where I think I am.

i don't think you can use simple math to conclude what test level you'll get. For example; I took 300mg weekly and had 2 blood tests done after 90 and 180 days. My results were 470 ng/dl after 90 days and 844 ng/dl after 180 days. I cut back to 150mg/wk for 6 weeks and went down to 205 ng/dl. Before starting testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) I tested at 222 ng/dl. There's no formula that seems to make sense of those numbers. Now throw in estrogen conversion and even calculus can't solve this riddle.

If a simple equation could determine what levels X mg of Test will give you, everyone would be a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) specialist and we wouldn't need Chip and all the knowledgable members of this site.

Or.................I have no clue what I'm talking about and kindly ignore everything I say.

 

[TR2838]

I guess you know what you're talking about bc you had the personal experience of 150mgs putting you at TT of 206.. Damn, you must have felt horrible.. I guess you convert a lot to estrogen?

 

[conklcl]

I am having a hard time understanding why most of you are keeping your levels so high. When the range is between 280-800ng, but most of you are keeping your self at 1000 and grater there has to be a long term concern and consequences for this. I am by no means trying to offend anyone here just don’t get this.
I have just started to work with an endocrine because my levels are at 180 and I am 45 but he only want to get me in the range of 500-600.

 

[cashout]

I am having a hard time understanding why most of you are keeping your levels so high. When the range is between 280-800ng, but most of you are keeping your self at 1000 and grater there has to be a long term concern and consequences for this. I am by no means trying to offend anyone here just don’t get this.
I have just started to work with an endocrine because my levels are at 180 and I am 45 but he only want to get me in the range of 500-600.

I don't think you'll offend anyone here. We are a very open and inclusive group.

The answer to your question for me and I would believe many others is simple.

The NORMAL range is between 280-800 ng/dl.

That is NORMAL.

I've never been normal in any capacity and don't want to be now.

Why not work with a range in which you feel your very best?

I've have 20 years worth of blood test - from the age of 18 years old - and my levels for the past 18 of those years have been 900+ ng/dl.

900+ ng/dl was my natural range from the 18 to 36 years of age. I only started to drop off after my 36 birthday.

At 579 ng/dl, when I started my Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), I was already starting to experiencing symptoms from decline - loss of capacity both cognitive and physical.

I would suggest to everyone to find the level at which they feel best not the level that fits a statistical sample of the population.

 

[TR90125]

I am having a hard time understanding why most of you are keeping your levels so high. When the range is between 280-800ng, but most of you are keeping your self at 1000 and grater there has to be a long term concern and consequences for this. I am by no means trying to offend anyone here just don’t get this.
I have just started to work with an endocrine because my levels are at 180 and I am 45 but he only want to get me in the range of 500-600.

Many, many reasons for me. Not to derail this thread, but here's just a couple thoughts.

1. It is my opinion that you are not likely to receive the benefits of therapy at 500-600. This is my opinion, although there is documented experience on this.

2. The range you quoted is but one of many ranges, out of the 20 or 25 known ranges, many of them list the top end of normal at 1200, not 800. It's just a number published by labs, not medical professionals.

3. T levels fluctuate. If your goal is 500-600, is that at your peak or your trough? My level of 1,000 was at my trough. Keep in mind, it may be very difficult to keep your levels that tight. Do you want your peak to be 600? Your trough to be 500? I would be surprised if your spread could be kept to just 100 ng/dL.

4. T levels over the last 20-40 years have dropped anywhere from 200 to 400 points depending on which source you quote. My research/reading indicated a 400 point drop over the last 40 years.

I am not treating a number deficiency, but rather treating symptoms. If you feel like I feel most of the time on my protocol and you can do that with your T levels floating around between 400-700, have at it. Personally, I feel great and my range is probably between 1000-1500.

I wouldn't get too hung up on the published ranges. It's just a statistical analysis of lab results.

Please keep us posted on your progress and results at 500-600.

 

[conklcl]

Cashout,

I understand you and the other guys feel great but don’t you think there maybe long term damage from keeping your levels so high. I’m 45 and yes I would like to feel great, but I also want to live a long time. So why is it that Endo with the great education only want to get test levels up to the 500-600 range there must be something to all this??

 

[conklcl]

Jows6

Sorry for jumping on your question . being new to all this I am just trying to understand as much as I can

 

[Tide14]

Cashout,
So why is it that Endo with the great education only want to get test levels up to the 500-600 range there must be something to all this??

Wouldn't it make sense to ask an Endo that has that level as a goal for you his reasoning?

I would say most of us have learned you need to educate yourself and be willing to question your doctor. Once you do you'll be surprised at how much they don't know.

Do you (and your Endo) know how "normal" lab ranges are created? The half life of the Test Ester he wants you to go on? The problems associated with amortization? And why you probably will need an AI? Why Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is used and the benefits?

Most doctors will dismiss you or won't know the answers when you ask these questions. That's why so many of us are with Maximus. There is a reason it's called "practicing" medicine, most doctor's forget this.

 

[cashout]

Cashout,

I understand you and the other guys feel great but don’t you think there maybe long term damage from keeping your levels so high. I’m 45 and yes I would like to feel great, but I also want to live a long time. So why is it that Endo with the great education only want to get test levels up to the 500-600 range there must be something to all this??

It is obviously an optimization question. I've read a vast number of studies that have detailed in very specific terms the negative effects of declining testosterone levels in males.

I've yet to see a single study that empirically supported the position that test levels above the normal range pose any health risk.

As a scientist, I have to base my positions upon what I have empirical evidence to
support.

 

[MonsterMedic]

Cashout,

I understand you and the other guys feel great but don***8217;t you think there maybe long term damage from keeping your levels so high. I***8217;m 45 and yes I would like to feel great, but I also want to live a long time. So why is it that Endo with the great education only want to get test levels up to the 500-600 range there must be something to all this??

The chief (and only) negative side effect I've encountered or heard of is suppression of your pituatary from taking exogenous hormones in any form. Be it injection, cream, pellet, etc. This is also why Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) is a lifestyle choice. Your pituatary is already not producing enough of the necessary chemicals so you inject to replace what is lost and restore yourself to 'Normal'. This in turn has a suppressive effect and will lower your natural production. (This is why AAS users run a PCT, to restore their pituatary function to normal, pre-AAS levels.)

Over time, as you get dialed in, your doctor and you will find the right dose where symptoms are suppressed and you are happy.

For many of the people here, that blood level seems to be about 1000ng/dl. For you it may be 5 or even 600ng/dl.