How to minimize water retention while on Test.

[hmlacrosse]

ah, well made point sir

 

[Sliding_Filament]

Btw your board username is very cool

Thanks. I was gonna go with actin_myosin, but it didn't quite do it for me. lol. You a real MD DocJ?

 

[DocJ]

Thanks. I was gonna go with actin_myosin, but it didn't quite do it for me. lol. You a real MD DocJ?

I'd rather not say out of concern for annonimity, however, I will say that I am a "real" doctor in the healthcare industry but I'm not specifically, an M.D. I also have a PhD in a related science field.

 

[roccodart440]

aromasin over arimidex 12-24mg ED

 

[Sliding_Filament]

I'd rather not say out of concern for annonimity, however, I will say that I am a "real" doctor in the healthcare industry but I'm not specifically, an M.D. I also have a PhD in a related science field.

I respect that. It's people with your knowledge that keeps people like us safe and well-informed. Keep up the good work sir!

 

[pineapple]

How can they say this:

Compared to patients not taking a beta-blocker, older women taking beta-blockers had a 32 percent higher risk of diabetes, while for men the risk was 20 percent higher.

...and then draw this conclusion?

"Increased surveillance for diabetes in patients treated with these medications may be warranted," the authors conclude.
The use of other common types of blood pressure lowering drugs -- calcium channel blockers and ACE inhibitors - was not associated with the development of type 2 diabetes, according to the report.

Not to mention these are people taking thiazides for YEARS, not a BB on a 12 week cycle of test taking it for the duration of the cycle only.

What's wrong with the conclution? It's concluded that those two BP meds are responsible for a diabetes risk (long term or whatever use).
And they first statement states the increased risk of beta-blocker users, compared to non-beta blocker users.

And side effects of BP meds all depend on the user. You can get them or you can get non of the sides at all. Same goes for calcium channel blockers.

 

[DocJ]

What's wrong with the conclution? It's concluded that those two BP meds are responsible for a diabetes risk (long term or whatever use).
And they first statement states the increased risk of beta-blocker users, compared to non-beta blocker users.

And side effects of BP meds all depend on the user. You can get them or you can get non of the sides at all. Same goes for calcium channel blockers.

I'm sorry, you're correct, my eyes read "beta blockers" but my brain registered "ACE inhibitors." However, my point still stands, for the purpose and duration anyone on this board would use thiazides they are very safe and effective. Not to mention that anyone who needs to be on BP meds continuously probably has a HUGE increased risk of diabetes regardless of the type of BP med taken.

 

[hmlacrosse]

lets conclude....what is the best (least expensive, most effective and least side) suppliment/drug that one can use to maintain low bloat?

 

[DocJ]

IMO aromasin

 

[gators52]

IMO aromasin

I've read studies that show that aromasin, letro and adex are all the same on lipids. However logically I would think aromasin would be much better on the lipids.

 

[DocJ]

I've read studies that show that aromasin, letro and adex are all the same on lipids. However logically I would think aromasin would be much better on the lipids.

Studie(s) plural? I've seen one but the researchers didn't seem to think the risk with aromasin was significant while letro/arimidex were worse on lipid profiles.

 

[GigGuns21]

As I stated as far as HCTZ, Iv'e taken it 25mg/ED for a few years now for mild B.P. My B.P has been perfect as well as my lipid profile and blood sugar level.

 

[HortonHeat]

How well does Proviron work for bloat?

 

[pineapple]

I've read studies that show that aromasin, letro and adex are all the same on lipids. However logically I would think aromasin would be much better on the lipids.

You're not keeping in mind that you'll be using Aromatase inhibitor (AI) along with AAS, hard androgens are not good for the lipids either. Estrogen is very important in keeping the lipids at the level you want.

 

[Lucky13]

I've read studies that show that aromasin, letro and adex are all the same on lipids. However logically I would think aromasin would be much better on the lipids.

I'll certainly back up aromisan, I ran it straight for 3months 12.5mg ED with an oral steroid and my lipids came back perfect.

 

[Trevdog]

Not to mention that anyone who needs to be on BP meds continuously probably has a HUGE increased risk of diabetes regardless of the type of BP med taken.

Right. I think that study is misleading at best. I'd wager that HCTZ does not increase the risk of diabetes AT ALL. However, people that take HCTZ are generally much less healthy, and suffer from more health problems (such as diabetes) than people that don't take it.

In other words, I submit that HCTZ doesn't cause diabetes. Rather (if I'm right), eating badly, not exercising, being obese, etc. cause diabetes, high blood pressure, and other health problems. So, there is a coorelation between taking HCTZ and having diabetes, but not a causal relationship.

 

[eastarr69]

Ok...so..what would be the best answer here? If i were going to take something to help reduce water retention, what would be the best...

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[GigGuns21]

Right. I think that study is misleading at best. I'd wager that HCTZ does not increase the risk of diabetes AT ALL. However, people that take HCTZ are generally much less healthy, and suffer from more health problems (such as diabetes) than people that don't take it.

In other words, I submit that HCTZ doesn't cause diabetes. Rather (if I'm right), eating badly, not exercising, being obese, etc. cause diabetes, high blood pressure, and other health problems. So, there is a coorelation between taking HCTZ and having diabetes, but not a causal relationship.

Ive taken HCTZ for a few years now and am in excellent health and suffer from no health problems- ie. B.P., bloodwork several times a year, etc., etc. I usually run 2 cycles a year. My B.P. while on with HCTZ is perfect as well as bloodwork. HCTZ in no way induces the risk of diabetes as well, you are correct in saying Diabetes is more of a healthy lifestyle issue(eating,obesity,lack of exercise). HCTZ is a rather weak diuretic usually used as a first treatment for mild high B.P. or edemas. The drug reduces the reabsorption of electrolytes which in turn increases the body's excretion of sodium, potassium, chloride and water. The thiazides are much weaker diuretics than say Lasix, a loop diuretic. I was prescribed HCTZ for mild H.P. at the time which was 140/80. Since then my B.P. ranges 110/70-120's/80. I take 25mg daily. As far as when I started HCTZ for mild high H.P I think that was elevated because of "whitecoat hypertension" as it was always perfect at home. Plus in my case as well as others anxiety plays a role.

 

[HortonHeat]

How well does Proviron work for bloat?

Anyone?

 

[DocJ]

Anyone?

Not very well compared to AI's. Due to it's cost, it's not used for that purpose often.