How to use insulin by Juice Junkie

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How to use insulin - the most anabolic hormone

This was originally posted on AF by Juice Junkie.


Directions for first time insulin users

This is an article I wrote a little while ago and posted on several boards. I know its a long post but take the time and read it because your life does in fact depend on it. There are a couple other articles on the Anabolic Review board in the Hot Topics Section but I think they all pretty much have the same info.

Let me know if you have any questions

Insulin is the most anabolic hormone you can take. On the other hand its also one of the most dangerous for two reasons availability and ignorance. I will be the first to tell you that every time I have been hypoglycemic (when blood sugar drops to dangerous levels) its has been as a result of something I did wrong. Used responsibility and with respect for the potential sides it is quite safe and extremely effective. That being said we'll start off with what you are going to need.

Equipment:
There are several types of insulin out there but for our purposes we are only interested in two. The first being my favorite Humulin R and the other being a bit newer to the body building community Humalog.

Humulin R is the most widely used and time tested insulin in our arsenal. It has a max duration of 4hrs and its peak can been seen around 2hrs after injection. This becomes particularly important when planning out you meals for the day so keep the timetables in mind.

Humalog is a bit newer but some feel just as effective and a bit safer. Humalog has a max duration of 2hrs and its peak can be seen around 1hr after injection. When selecting to use one or the other keep in mind your schedule, meals, and physical activity for the day as it will all play a role. One other point that needs mentioning is that Humulin R is available over the counter at pretty much every pharmacy in the country for about $25 for 10ml (which will last you a very long time) and Humalog is available only through a prescription or over the black market for a price about double that of Humulin R. When approaching a pharmacist keep in mind that its a lot more convincing if you buy the needles at the same time you get the insulin. This way they are less likely to refuse to sell it to you which they have been known to do from time to time. If this should happen just continue on to the next pharmacy and despite what they tell you "you dont need a prescription" it might be their store policy to see one but legally it is not required and if you make enough of a fuss you will get what you need.

The next thing you will need is the actual needles for injection. These are not the same type that you would use for anabolics or other androgens. The type of needles you will need are U100 insulin needles. That is exactly what you need to say when are trying to buy them. A box of 100 will usually run about $15-$25 and again will last you quite a while. Be fore warned now, using a syringe labeled with cc/ml or anything other than u100 is potentially fatal. The difference between the amount of insulin used for our purpose and that which will kill you is less than 1/2 a cc.

The next two things I think you will need and I highly recommend having on you is a wrist watch with a chronograph (stopwatch) and glucose tabs and/or a can of soda. First I'll explain the wrist watch. The stop watch is to be started immediately after the injection and monitored periodically to keep track of what is in your body and how long it is active. This can also be used to determine whether or not you are feeling side effects or simply just nerves from the fear that follows using for the first time. For instance I always use Humulin R which we know has a duration of 4 hours and a peak at 2 hours. This means that the greatest effects will be felt somewhere between 1-1/2 to 2 hours after injection and then they will steadily lessen till it is no longer active 4 hours after injection. When you use a stopwatch you have an accurate record of when you felt the effects which will become more important as you get more experienced using insulin. The glucose tabs are your safety net. If you are feeling hypo (hypoglycemic) these tabs will return your blood sugar levels to a safe range where you can get some food. They are available at all pharmacies for about $1.00. I have also used a soda. Soda is high in simple carbs which act quickly when blood sugar is low and allow you to get to a safe range where you can get some food in you. Now that we've covered all the equipment needed to safely use insulin we'll move on to dosage diet and scheduling.

Dosage diet and scheduling:
Whenever you start insulin its always wise to start at a lower dose and taper up over the first couple of days of use. Insulin is still new in our community and there is a potential for becoming diabetic so dont take chances start small more is not better where insulin is concerned more is simply more fat and more dangerous. This is a schedule I use when just starting insulin:

day1: 5iu's post workout
day2: 6iu's post workout
day3: 7iu's post workout
day4: 8iu's post workout
day5: 9iu's post workout
day6: 10iu's post workout
day7: same as day 6

This concludes week once from here on out this is how I proceed. If I am going to be increasing my dose even further.

day8-10: 10iu's morning, 10iu's post workout
day11-14: 10iu's morning, 10iu's noon, 10iu's post workout
day15 and on: increase post workout dose till I start to feel symptoms of hypoglycemia and then back the dose down accordingly. THIS IS ONLY FOR ADVANCED USERS, DONT EXCEED THE DAY 7 DOSE TILL YOU GET SOME TIME UNDER YOUR BELT. I AM NOT KIDDING YOU WILL DIE!!!

Your diet will depend on the amount of slin you take per injection. The rule is 10 grams of carbs per IU of insulin. Therefore if you take 10iu's at an injection you need 100 grams of carbs. This is a bit overkill the actual figure is about 5-7 grams but its best to stick with the 10 rule while starting out. I feel that the best most accurate way to consume the proper amount of carbs after an injection is through MRP's or other shakes. The amounts of carbs on these are far more accurate than those you will find on the back of a bread bag. My meals are usually layed out like this:

7am: 10iu's insulin, shake
9am: shake
12pm: 10iu's insulin, lunch
2pm: shake
4pm: shake
6pm: workout
7pm: 10iu's insulin, shake, higher in carbs than others
9pm: dinner
11pm: safe for bed

If you'll notice there is a method to the madness above. After taking your first injection if insulin you will need a shake immediately. After this you are good for the next 2 hrs till the insulin peaks. Once you hit the 2hr mark you will need more carbs either another shake or a meal with sufficient carbs. After you have cleared the 4hr mark you will be clear from danger. Now this is all based on using Humulin R. If you are using Humalog you will need to take your first meal after injection and another "1hr" after. Then after the 2hr mark you will be safe. My shakes are made up of 1/2 pack of MetRX (berry) and 2 scoops GNC brand weight gainer (vanilla) and 16oz of whole milk. This shake has a caloric value of about 800 cals and around 50grams of protein and 150+grams of carbs. This is a good meal for those starting out. As you progress though you will want to decrease the carbs and eliminate the fat completely to maximize lean mass gains and minimize water and fat retention but for the purposes of starting out simply taking T3 will offset any fat gained. One thing to keep in mind is that T3 will reduce your sensitivity to insulin allowing you to take a higher dose but again save this till you get some more time in.

Side effects and procedures:
After injection and starting your stopwatch your first task is to get some carbs in. Next the first sides you will feel is tired. This is normal and is to be expected. You will usually feel this somewhere between 15-30 minutes after your injection. The key here is not to sleep, if you sleep you wont feel further more dangerous sides and therefore you wont be able to save your ass. The next thing you need to do is have another meal/shake at the 2hr mark. If you miss this just get it in as soon as possible. If you delay long enough you will start to feel hypo around 3 to 3-1/2 hours after injection. When this happens you will feel a sort of numbness that I can only relate to ephedrine. After this you will start to get some shakes in your hands followed by a cold sweat. Once you get to this point you are full blown hypo, the next thing that will follow will be a bit of tunnel vision and this is as far as I’ve been after this its all textbook I imagine coma will follow shortly after passing out. When you get the symptoms listed above don’t hesitate. Get some soda/glucose tabs followed by a meal or shake. One other fact I neglected to mention is that a mix of carbs is necessary when consuming a meal. Simple carbs are used to quickly and complex don’t kick in fast enough. A good mix is the way to go.

This is pretty much a beginners guide to getting started on insulin. If you have any questions either post them on the board or email me. No question is stupid when it comes to a potentially fatal drug. Good luck and get huge.

JJ
 
Very informative read... How long do you stay on Humulin R ? Is there a cycle to it? Seen fellow gym rats on it, saw great results. Can the use of Humulin R create a diabetic condition long term. My first cousin on my mothers side is a diabetic . Is it possible I might have that resesive gene, and could it be "awoken"? Or am I just being parranoid? Thanx..........
 
I think the average cycle is 4-5 weeks with equal time off. Please correct me if I am wrong. I have heard of people using it for as long as 8 weeks too..but 4-5 is the most common.
 
I dont understand """will last you quite a while. Be fore warned now, using a syringe labeled with cc/ml or anything other than u100 is potentially fatal. The difference between the amount of insulin used for our purpose and that which will kill you is less than 1/2 a cc. """

5iu's post workout
day2: 6iu's post workout
day3: 7iu's post workout
day4: 8iu's post workout
day5: 9iu's post workout
day6: 10iu's

I dont get it half of the thread he enphasis about the small amount that you are suppose to use but later he talks about his journal where he use over 10IU a day that about 10 ML
 
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you guys say you can go on it for 4-5 weeks. but you don't give the instructions after day 6. you just stop at day 6 ..whats the dosage after that ......please be very specific or give some references thanx.
 
I am planning an insulin cycle and need to know exactly what size insulin needles to purchase. My pharmacy has U-100 insulin needles in 1/2 CC and 1/3CC. Which needles is appropriate to measure the proper amount of IU's correctly?

Also, would it hinder my potential gains if I waited 20 minutes after my workout to take insulin? I don't feel comfortable brigining insulin and taking it in my gym locker room.
 
So exactally what is the effect of the insulin ? I thought it was used before a workout to allow you to train harder. I also know it's VERY VERY VERY DANGERIOUS ! Almost insane to use ! So, it's used AFTER a workout. I have also heard that many users of Human Growth Hormone use insulin also. Is insulin tied in to this ? If so , how ? Is it some how involved with IGF-! production from the liver ? THANKS !

CASTILLIAN
 
emperorga said:
you guys say you can go on it for 4-5 weeks. but you don't give the instructions after day 6. you just stop at day 6 ..whats the dosage after that ......please be very specific or give some references thanx.

"day6: 10iu's post workout
day7: same as day 6"

The few boys I know using 'slin never go over 10iu. Others do but it takes experience and discipline or you are asking for trouble.
 
I prefer go for 20IU from day one, and use 10IU for last week of cycle.
Exogenous insulin not suppressive on natural insulin production, so, there is no need in step by step increase and decrease. The doses like 6IU and 10UI pretty useless. It is possible to go safely on 40UI per day in two divided doses.
 
I went up to 30IU a day, and I was fine. It was my first time as well, however, I did work up to the 30IU. Be careful with your diet though. I tended to gain some extra BF while on it. Eat very clean, and a low fat diet seems to work best.
 
with insulin in your body you will not burn up any muscle for fuel...so you can preserve your muscle.. which will probably help your gains..

insulin is also responsible for transferring protein and other nutrients to your muscles..which will help you recover faster

but I don't think I would use it much except after working out..and i wouldn't want to use it unless cycling with test..
 
I prefer go for 20IU from day one, and use 10IU for last week of cycle.
Exogenous insulin not suppressive on natural insulin production, so, there is no need in step by step increase and decrease. The doses like 6IU and 10UI pretty useless. It is possible to go safely on 40UI per day in two divided doses.

Stop giving deadly advice to someone who might just take it.

Some people are sensitive enough to go into a coma on a small dose of insulin, and others are not so sensitive and can handle higher doses.

So this whole article is based on the assumption that EVERY BODY's Insulin sensitivity is the same. The doses given are variable to each individual.

For example, my body isn't sensitive to it, so I can take 15-20IU's at one time with no problems.
 
If you insist on using it, make it easier on people like me:

1. Buy a cheap medic alert braclet. Wear it to the gym and after you inject. Might save ya a trip to the hospital. EMS professionals are known to slap in an IV give you some D50 then have you sign a refusal. Makes life easier on everyone.

2. Keep candy/sweets handy. There is also a OTC gel called oral glucose that is more effective. And has a long storage life, place it in your gym bag for emergencies. If you have a diabetic connection ask for one of thier Glucogen pens. Might even be able to buy it via the net. (IM injection that makes the liver mobilize the sugar it stores)

3. Have a partner that knows what you are doing. They can smear the Oral glucose in your mouth if you are unable to swallow. In extreme cases a candy bar can be inserted rectally (3 musketeers anyone)? If you get to the extreme you should put down the slin and take up golf.

4. Buy the glucose monitoring strips or if you can afford it a machine if you are a long term user. After a prolonged exposure to slin, the bodies autofeed back mechinism to hypoglycemia becomes nonfunctioning. That means the symptoms of hypoglycemia no longer manifest, you are fine one minute then out the next.

Damn I made it to long, no one will read.

CB
 
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