HRT- test results

[snake]

First of I will tell you people that I have been on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) For about the last six Months. My doses are very low ( 100 mg cyp every two weeks) so I assume that my endocrinologist is trying to initiate recovery phase. I Had my blood test 15 days after last shot(to make sure that he does not take me off HRT) and had not any shots since then. I got my TSH done as well as a glucose test (random what every that means) as well as total testosterone and Sex hormone binding globulan, finally I got A free androgen index done as well which apperently is a better way of measuring bioavailability of testosterone than checking free testosterone levels. I just though I would post my results for any body that is interested or curious about this type of thing. like I said I got the test 15 days after my last injection of cypinate. so I dont know wether my body has come back to somewhat normal levels or there is still reminants of the cypinate in my blood stream. If any body knows the aprox half life of cyp that would be good to know. So here they are:

Testosterone total: 10.6 reference range is 5.8-28.0 nmol/L
Sex hormone binding globulan: 28.3 reference range is 13-71nmol/L
Free androgen index: 37.0 Reference range is 14.8-94.8
TSH: 2.50 reference range is .49-4.67mIU/L
free T4: 14.2 reference range is 9-19.0 pmol/L
Glucose random:4.8 Reference range is 3.6-11.0nmol/L
Not sure what the Glucose test is or has to do with test production.

 

[TESTinME]

Interesting bro.

As for the half-life of cyp, ask 5 people and you'll get 5 different answers. I've seen most bodybuilding boards quote 14-15 days. Apparently the insert that comes with upjohn cyp. says it is 5 or 7 days, I can' t remember which. Many Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) docs reccommend a shot every 7 days to keep blood levels stable.

Your endocrinologist seems a little on the conservative side.... Why does he have you on such a low dose?? I'm on 100 mg per week and by the 7th day I am starting to want my dose. I can't imagine how you feel toward the end of the two weeks.

What do you mean by initiating recover phase? Is he expecting that you will eventually be able to produce enough T on your own?

 

[DTOX]

The physiological half-life of Test Cyp is 8 days.

Or at least that's what they say in the inserted literature I get with every bottle of Upjohn Test Cyp for Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT).

I think it's interesting that they make a point of saying physiological (maybe even "in vivo") instead of theoretical half-life...

 

[DTOX]

Testosterone total: 10.6 reference range is 5.8-28.0 nmol/L
Sex hormone binding globulan: 28.3 reference range is 13-71nmol/L
Free androgen index: 37.0 Reference range is 14.8-94.8
TSH: 2.50 reference range is .49-4.67mIU/L
free T4: 14.2 reference range is 9-19.0 pmol/L
Glucose random:4.8 Reference range is 3.6-11.0nmol/L
Not sure what the Glucose test is or has to do with test production.

Test seems is too low. As everyone keeps telling you, you should be on 100mg/wk. As Buffdoc (and others) have said elsewhere, you'll typically want to be in the top 25% of the range right before your next shot. (I think DrJMW disagrees with that though.)

TSH is in the normal range, but if you ask people that actually have thyroid problems they inevitably say they feel better with TSH levels between 1.0 and 2.0! (And then they'll say that T3 levels are a better indicator than T4 levels, etc.)

Glucose looks good, and I bet you'll find that once your endo ups your Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) dosages that it will improve even more.

 

[snake]

Re: Re: HRT- test results

Test seems is too low. As everyone keeps telling you, you should be on 100mg/wk. As Buffdoc (and others) have said elsewhere, you'll typically want to be in the top 25% of the range right before your next shot. (I think DrJMW disagrees with that though.)

TSH is in the normal range, but if you ask people that actually have thyroid problems they inevitably say they feel better with TSH levels between 1.0 and 2.0! (And then they'll say that T3 levels are a better indicator than T4 levels, etc.)

Glucose looks good, and I bet you'll find that once your endo ups your Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) dosages that it will improve even more.

How is glucose relatede to test and why would it be higher or improve more with more test? and what are the effects of TSH And T3, t4? what do all of these do and how do they relate to test?

 

[JohnnyB]

I'm surprised that your in the normal range with dose

JohnnyB

 

[DTOX]

Re: Re: Re: HRT- test results

How is glucose relatede to test and why would it be higher or improve more with more test? and what are the effects of TSH And T3, t4? what do all of these do and how do they relate to test?

I'll let any of the real docs on here correct me if I totally mess this up...

Higher testosterone levels improve insulin sensitivity. This is even in the literature that comes with my Upjohn Cyp (diabetics may need to adjust dosages). As an example, before Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) my fasting glucose was 110, now it's around 85.

I am talking Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) dosages though. I have no idea what 500mg/wk of Test does to insulin sensitivity.

I'll let an Endo answer the question regarding why they test all 3... I know that's pretty typical that they'll check for thyroid problems & diabetes if a person is complaining of symptoms of low testosterone.

 

[Stillgoing]

First of I will tell you people that I have been on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) For about the last six Months. My doses are very low ( 100 mg cyp every two weeks) so I assume that my endocrinologist is trying to initiate recovery phase.

Just for your information bro - this is not correct. Even at the low dose you are on, you are not recovering anything. If your doc is knowledgable, he would know that (and he probably does).

 

[buffdoc]

I think your levels are decent for 15 days out; I'd like to see them a little higher, though.
I'm a big fan of once a week dosing, for cyp and enth. Often, patients describe a "wearing off" of the effect after 10 days or less.
One good way to do it is according to the patient's CLINICAL status; IOW, how they're feeling. We adjust the dose, and THEN check levels to be sure we're not too high or low.
As far as thyroid function (and I know many docs will disagree with me on this), a TSH and T4 alone are not adequate for assessing thyroid. I like free T3 and T4 as well, and again, the patient's clinical status. A lot of peeps with one endocrine dysfunction have others (ie, gonadal, thyroid, adrenal, etc.)
Just my $0.02