HRT to Treat Adrenal Burnout & Low T - Advice?

[feemanbe]

Hello y'all,

I am a 30 year old male, living in Belgium, who has had a long workout history (around 10 years), including the occasional anabolic cycle. What exactly caused it is not clear, but I have been dealing with burn out syndrom (adrenal fatigue) and lowish test/thyroid related problems for about a small year now.

I had passed several endocrinologists, none of which were up to any good (surprise!!).
As I have been at home, unable to work for 6 months already now, I wanted to take matters into my own hands and I decided to visit Dr. Hertoghe, an insanely expensive but wellknown hormone doctor in Brussels.

Currently my main symptoms are:
- Severe fatigue, unable to work, unable to workout, hardly able to manage household.
- Very little libido
- Brain Fog/ Trouble concentrating
- Ringing Ears
- Memory problems
- Poor selfesteem
- Mild depression, no joy of life
- No energy to work out

I would be glad if some of you experts would like to comment on the treatment I have only just started.
I will post the major blood work (and urine testing), especially the exceeding values (Exclamation marks), from my first visit (two days ago) to Dr. Hertoghe:
BLOOD:
- Insulin: 6 mg/dl (3 -22)
- Glucose: 90 mg/dl (60 - 110)
- IGF Binding Protein 3: 5,85 mg/L (2,96 - 4,96) !!
- Somatomedine-C (IGF1): 262 ng/ml (190 - 490)
- Creatinine: 0,85 mg/dl (0.70 - 1.30)
- Vit. D: 34,7 ng/ml (30 - 60)
- Cholesterol LDL: 134 mg/dl (0 - 114) !!!
- Cholesterol HDL: 44 mg/dl (40 - 109) !
- CRP: High sensitive (inflammation): 0,84 mg/L (0 - 0,55) !!
- Ratio AA/EPA fats: 17,31 (5.0 - 10)
- Free T3: 4,09 pg/ml (2.1 - 4.2)
- Free T4: 1,67 ng/dl (0,7 - 1,8)
- TSH: 0,49 (0,3 - 4,5)
- Pregnenolone: 3.51 ng/ml (3,90 - 13,50) !!
- Progesterone: 0,54 µg/L (0 - 1)
- Transcortine: 57mg/L (20 - 50) !!
- SHBG: 19 pmol/ml (20 - 55) !!! (Worried about this value and TRT)
- Oestron 59 pg/ml (10 - 60) !
- Oestradiol: 47 ng/L (<30) !!!
- FSH: 4,9 IE/L (2 - 15)
- Free Cortisol: 4,3 ng/ml (10-30) !!!
- Cortisol 11,6 µg/dl (7 - 25)
- DHEA-S: 199µg/dl (200 - 610) !!
- Testosterone: 5071 pg/ml (3000 - 10000)
- Free Testosterone: 225 pg/ml (50 - 280)
- Percentage of bound Testosterone 95,6 (4,4 % free) !!!

URINE TESTING:
- Creatinine 3,05g/24u (1,0 - 2,2) !!!
- Jodium 50 µg/L (??)
- Jodium per 24h: 140 µg/24h (170 - 280)
- Natrium per 24h: 352,8 mmol/24h (100 - 220) !!!
- Calcium per 24h: 11,48 mmol/24h (3,50 - 7) !!!
- Magnesium per 24h: 5,88 mmol/24h (2,46 - 4,92) !!
- Fosfor per 24h: 51,24 mmol/24h (12,9 - 25,8) !!!!
- T3: 0,37µg/L
- T3 per 24h: 1590 pmol/24h (800 - 2500)
- Cortisol 24h: 16,8 µg/24h (10 - 100) !!
- T4: 0,52 µg/L
- T4 per 24h: 1870 pmol/24h (550 - 3160)
- Melatonine (6-sulfatoxy) per 24h: 10,30 µg/24h (15,60 - 58,1) !!!
- Aldosterone per 24h 6,7 µg/24h (5.0 - 20)
- Nickel: 2,7 µg/g creat (<2) !!
- IgE 11,4 kE/L (20 - 100) !!!!
- Candida Albicans 116,3 mg/L (<80 = negative)
- PSA 1,01 µg/L (0.1 - 1.8)

That's about it! Dr. Hertoghe got me started (only just now) on the following therapy:
- ERFA Thyroid (T4/T3): Increasing from 15mg/day to 90mg/day
- Hydrocortisone 20mg : 1,5 pill/day
- DHEA 35mg: 1 cap/day
- Pregnenolone 50mg: 2 caps/day
- Testogel 10% (100mg/g): 1,5g = 150mg/day (Alternatively 250mg Test E/10days)
- A'Dex 1mg : 2 x 0,5 pill/week
- Melatonine 0,2mg: 0,25 to 0,50 pill/day
- Omnitrope Growth Hormone (pen with clics): 1 click/day for 10 days, 2 click/day for 10 days, then 3 clicks/day permanently
- Vit. B Stress Complex
- Folic Acid 10mg: 1 capsule/day
- Vit. B12: 1 pill/day
- Vit. D: 2 x 1 ampoule weekly
- Borage Oil 1000mg: 5 caps/day
- Omega 3: 1cap/day
- Anti Oxidant (Selenium + Zink): 1 cap/day
- Copper 2mg: 1 cap/day
- Vitamine A: 2 teaspoons/day
- Zinc Citrate 22,5mg: 2 caps/day
- Glutamine 500mg: 4 caps/day
+ off course dietary measures

Well now, that's about it, now some questions:
- What's your general opinion on the therapy he is giving me?
- I have been (slowly) recovering from (very) low shbg (9!). It has now gotten to 19 in half a year. According to Dr. Hertoghe the Erfa T3 will significantly increase SHBG to maintain Testosterone positive effects, yet still I remain afraid that the low shbg values will diminish the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) efficacy.
- I have only started the therapy yesterday and already experienced some sides:
* Very nervous feeling, unable to relax, extremely depressed thoughts.
What's your opinion on this? Is my body adapting to the medicin or is this abnormal?
- Dr. Hertoghe prescribed A'Dex, but I still have some Aroxifen around (Tamoxifen 20mg + Aromasin 20mg). Will this do the trick or should I really stick to the A'dex? If it does do the trick, at what dosage?


That's it for now. I would be majorly greatful if anyone would be willing to spend a few minutes to look at my situation as I no longer trust one doctor's opinion and like to selfhandle my health issues. I will later on share my experiences with other users also.

Thanks,
K.

 

[Schweddy]

I've dealt with adrenal burnout. You can find a lot of good information on older posts here. Your T levels look OK to me (I assume they were taken before testim treatment). I'm not a big fan of gels, anyway.

My adrenal issues were primarily thyroid related. Your thyroid levels don't look too bad to me.

What fixed my adrenal problem was the following:

Large doses twice a day of B5, B12, B Complex, 5000 units of D a day. Lots of vitamin C (powdered).
No hard exercise. I walked maybe 30 minutes per day.

Lots of SLEEP. Melatonin and Benadryl helped at first.

It took about 3 months and I was a new man.

Best of luck!

 

[feemanbe]

I've dealt with adrenal burnout. You can find a lot of good information on older posts here. Your T levels look OK to me (I assume they were taken before testim treatment). I'm not a big fan of gels, anyway.

My adrenal issues were primarily thyroid related. Your thyroid levels don't look too bad to me.

What fixed my adrenal problem was the following:

Large doses twice a day of B5, B12, B Complex, 5000 units of D a day. Lots of vitamin C (powdered).
No hard exercise. I walked maybe 30 minutes per day.

Lots of SLEEP. Melatonin and Benadryl helped at first.

It took about 3 months and I was a new man.

Best of luck!

Hi, indeed, my thyroid levels are fine, but have you looked at my iodine levels? These low levels can cause hypo symptoms as well. I think I might be a more serious case than you, as I have had 6 months off work already, with very little improvement. I hope the hydrocortisone will kick in soon and bring me some relief. Melatonine gives me Restless Leg Syndrome, terrible!

Regards.

 

[methos]

I am just curious why you are worried about low SHBG. I felt like hell when mine was higher because it seems to diminish free T since it binds to both T and E. I am not second guessing you, I am just trying to learn something here.

Regarding the Adex, I would stick with your doctor's protocol and not substitute with Aromisin. I switched from Adex to Aromisin and pulled bloodwork before and after the switch. Adex kept Estrogen in check, while aromisin kept only estradiol in check while estrone serum went throught the roof. I made the switch to save money. Not sure if there were other contributing factors, but I would personally stick strictly to your docs protocol.

I hope you keep us posted on your progress.

 

[feemanbe]

I am just curious why you are worried about low SHBG. I felt like hell when mine was higher because it seems to diminish free T since it binds to both T and E. I am not second guessing you, I am just trying to learn something here.

Regarding the Adex, I would stick with your doctor's protocol and not substitute with Aromisin. I switched from Adex to Aromisin and pulled bloodwork before and after the switch. Adex kept Estrogen in check, while aromisin kept only estradiol in check while estrone serum went throught the roof. I made the switch to save money. Not sure if there were other contributing factors, but I would personally stick strictly to your docs protocol.

I hope you keep us posted on your progress.

Hi mate,

Well, let me explain, low shbg indeed causes more test to be free (unbound) and thus one would think that more free test (bio-active) is a good thing, right? Wrong! Excessive free test (+ 2%) causes more conversion to DHT and... ESTROGEN!
Also newer research has proven bound T (T + SHBG) to be active in the receptors, delivering T to target cells. Thus, explaining why I feel like crap with high free test. I hope the A'dex will bring me relief on this matter (while I have many others also. ;-) Will indeed stick to the A'dex, will go get it tomorrow.
I am however more concerned with my thyroid values, which are already in the upper range. Reverse T3 NOT being measured in the blood leaves me in doubt about the cause of my low body temperature, but most likely is the culprit here. I should therefore be using low dosed T3 substitution instead of the ERFA (T4+T3) he prescribed. ERFA most likely to maintain the condition, while excessive T4 still converts to RT3 and thus being a vicious cycle.
I will call my doc about this tomorrow and hope to switch to Cytomel (T3 only med) to recover.

All kinda technical huh? ;-)

Regards.

 

[methos]

Yah very technical. Thanks for the response. That is interesting about the SHBG.
I don't mean to hijack your thread, but what is your target value for Total T?

 

[feemanbe]

Yah very technical. Thanks for the response. That is interesting about the SHBG.
I don't mean to hijack your thread, but what is your target value for Total T?

As for my current condition, I can't say. I'd rather see my other problems resolved first (adrenal fatigue, thyroid issue). Sex hormones are the last to worry about right now.

 

[alphamike2013]

Howdy Freemanbe, looks like we have something in common. First off, I had all of these symptoms and then some. I am also living in Europe and it took me a long time to find a doctor, finally had to go to the states.. Very interested about Dr. Hertoghe, I had not heard of him before. Maybe you can give me some info later on him.

For your post, the main problem I see is Candida! Believe me man, this can really cause problems and interfere things your body. It's basically a yeast infection that could turn really nasty and actually "grow roots into your digestive system". I am not joking about this, and I did have this version and contributed to my leaky gut syndrome as well. Not saying you have this kind!! But you need to aggressively combat this problem now. This problem will steal all the nutrients from your food and leave you with little left over. Ask Hertoghe about it, I am sure he is aware of this. Good thing for this if you do not have the advanced version. a product called "3 lac" or "5 lac" This is a Japanese company that makes bacteria to combat this problem. Two weeks of this and I felt much better! you can get it on even Amazon.com.

Next, why no adrenal support? If you have adrenal fatigue I would think you would need a little adrenal support for this. Did you forget to mention you where on it? This can make all the difference about energy levels.. I am talking about actual adrenal cortex supplements.

I have taken every kind of T3/T4 out there. They all made me feel like sh*t expect for one. Nature-Thyroid, which I continue to take. It has the whole range of T3/T4 metabolites in it and mimics your own body's hormones better. Maybe he can switch you to this if you have problems on the synthetic stuff.

Question how is the HGH? cost?

Overall it took me a long time to recover (almost lost my job).. But its possible, I also did not have a good doctor to help me and I was just jabbing at bats in the night by myself.

Ask me anything, will try to help if possible.

-A

 

[riprockwell]

First off, I have dealt with Adrenal fatigue, low T, and thyroid issues. Glad to see you mentioning the RT3 issue because I am a thyroid tissue resistent patient. Honestly, I think that is way too much shit to be taking. Your thyroid numbers look fine and your AM cortisol is low but it is not the worst I have seen. Your iodine levels are low if that 50 is standing for 50%. It is usually nice to see it above 80% at the very least, preferably 90%. That is just too many things to be putting in your body at the moment. I would work on the thyroid like you are doing and test your RT3 to see if you have any RT3 pooling in your blood and blocking your receptors. You may have to be like me and get on T3 only. I really noticed a boost in energy getting on T3 only.

Additionally, you need to get on some adrenal support. I recommend Licorice root as one of them. I have taken Adreset and Licorice root and they really helped. As for other things you can change. Make sure you are following a paleo style diet and try to limit your carb intake as too many carbs can stress the adrenals. Also make sure you are balancing your blood sugar and eating every 2-3 hours. As for exercise, I wouldn't do any cardio at all. If you want to work out or even have the energy, I would do light weights or stretching/yoga until you get everything aligned. I would also try to get on injections. Your adex will be fine for now to keep your estro in check. The side effects that you are experiencing could be from any one of those supplements man, hence why I recommend not taking all of them. Remember, some doctors are good but remember that they are all working just like us to make money. Therefore they recommend every supplement under the sun and you wind up leaving there with no cash every time you go in. I wouldn't even see the point of you being on pregnenolone now until you figure everything else out. So I would be on testosterone, anti-E, thyroid meds, and then supplements to help your adrenals/cortisol metabolism. Then, I would test your RT3 and see how that t4/t3 combo med is working out for you. Lastly, I would add in some iodine. That in itself can make you feel much better. As for other vitamins, just take a multi-vitamin. My doc tried to put me on everything under the sun and I refused a lot of the stuff and my adrenals got back to normal by just taking a few things and making some lifestyle changes. Be patient and see how you do in a few weeks and go from there. Good luck.

 

[NateDEEzy]

Howdy Freemanbe, looks like we have something in common. First off, I had all of these symptoms and then some. I am also living in Europe and it took me a long time to find a doctor, finally had to go to the states.. Very interested about Dr. Hertoghe, I had not heard of him before. Maybe you can give me some info later on him.

For your post, the main problem I see is Candida! Believe me man, this can really cause problems and interfere things your body. It's basically a yeast infection that could turn really nasty and actually "grow roots into your digestive system". I am not joking about this, and I did have this version and contributed to my leaky gut syndrome as well. Not saying you have this kind!! But you need to aggressively combat this problem now. This problem will steal all the nutrients from your food and leave you with little left over. Ask Hertoghe about it, I am sure he is aware of this. Good thing for this if you do not have the advanced version. a product called "3 lac" or "5 lac" This is a Japanese company that makes bacteria to combat this problem. Two weeks of this and I felt much better! you can get it on even Amazon.com.

Next, why no adrenal support? If you have adrenal fatigue I would think you would need a little adrenal support for this. Did you forget to mention you where on it? This can make all the difference about energy levels.. I am talking about actual adrenal cortex supplements.

I have taken every kind of T3/T4 out there. They all made me feel like sh*t expect for one. Nature-Thyroid, which I continue to take. It has the whole range of T3/T4 metabolites in it and mimics your own body's hormones better. Maybe he can switch you to this if you have problems on the synthetic stuff.

Question how is the HGH? cost?

Overall it took me a long time to recover (almost lost my job).. But its possible, I also did not have a good doctor to help me and I was just jabbing at bats in the night by myself.

Ask me anything, will try to help if possible.

-A

Did you ever try Armour Thyroid? I heard it produces good results

 

[feemanbe]

Howdy Freemanbe, looks like we have something in common. First off, I had all of these symptoms and then some. I am also living in Europe and it took me a long time to find a doctor, finally had to go to the states.. Very interested about Dr. Hertoghe, I had not heard of him before. Maybe you can give me some info later on him.
=> Sure, ask me whatever. The man is clearly into meds, that's for sure...

For your post, the main problem I see is Candida! Believe me man, this can really cause problems and interfere things your body. It's basically a yeast infection that could turn really nasty and actually "grow roots into your digestive system". I am not joking about this, and I did have this version and contributed to my leaky gut syndrome as well. Not saying you have this kind!! But you need to aggressively combat this problem now. This problem will steal all the nutrients from your food and leave you with little left over. Ask Hertoghe about it, I am sure he is aware of this. Good thing for this if you do not have the advanced version. a product called "3 lac" or "5 lac" This is a Japanese company that makes bacteria to combat this problem. Two weeks of this and I felt much better! you can get it on even Amazon.com.
=> Except for the "doubtful" candida result I have no gut problems whatsoever, sometimes a little loose stoole, but no severe cramps, no extreme farting, ... Will remember about the Japanese product. ;-)

Next, why no adrenal support? If you have adrenal fatigue I would think you would need a little adrenal support for this. Did you forget to mention you where on it? This can make all the difference about energy levels.. I am talking about actual adrenal cortex supplements.
=> I am currently on adrenal support, 30mg cortisol/day - 25mg DHEA/day - 50mg Pregnenolone/day - Vit. B complex.
Still feel like total crap, even more than before treatment started, maybe I need some more patience...

I have taken every kind of T3/T4 out there. They all made me feel like sh*t expect for one. Nature-Thyroid, which I continue to take. It has the whole range of T3/T4 metabolites in it and mimics your own body's hormones better. Maybe he can switch you to this if you have problems on the synthetic stuff.
=> I was on Dessicated thyroid (= T4/T3 with TBG) Erfa but this stuff made my heart race and BP jump up. I quit it.

Question how is the HGH? cost?
=> Not taking it yet, very expensive, 620 Euros/5 x 1,5ml Omnitrope, should take me 4 months though.

Overall it took me a long time to recover (almost lost my job).. But its possible, I also did not have a good doctor to help me and I was just jabbing at bats in the night by myself.
=> Same here, docs suck big time, not doing the necessary tests, prescribing unnecessary meds, giving plain wrong information, ... . I should try and find a REAL hollistic doc who doesn't want to scrape me off all my money...
Any ideas on those in Belgium? ;-)

Ask me anything, will try to help if possible.
=> Thanks mate, appreciate it.

-A

Answered inside your message.
Regards.

 

[feemanbe]

First off, I have dealt with Adrenal fatigue, low T, and thyroid issues. Glad to see you mentioning the RT3 issue because I am a thyroid tissue resistent patient. Honestly, I think that is way too much shit to be taking. Your thyroid numbers look fine and your AM cortisol is low but it is not the worst I have seen. Your iodine levels are low if that 50 is standing for 50%. It is usually nice to see it above 80% at the very least, preferably 90%. That is just too many things to be putting in your body at the moment. I would work on the thyroid like you are doing and test your RT3 to see if you have any RT3 pooling in your blood and blocking your receptors. You may have to be like me and get on T3 only. I really noticed a boost in energy getting on T3 only. => The iodine result is from urine testing, the 50 stands for 50µg/L, so way low. Will be supplementing iodine soon and consider Cytomel T3 supplementation, as my wake up body temp is only 96,5 (!), suggesting major thyroid issue.

Additionally, you need to get on some adrenal support. I recommend Licorice root as one of them. I have taken Adreset and Licorice root and they really helped. As for other things you can change. Make sure you are following a paleo style diet and try to limit your carb intake as too many carbs can stress the adrenals. Also make sure you are balancing your blood sugar and eating every 2-3 hours. As for exercise, I wouldn't do any cardio at all. If you want to work out or even have the energy, I would do light weights or stretching/yoga until you get everything aligned. I would also try to get on injections. Your adex will be fine for now to keep your estro in check. The side effects that you are experiencing could be from any one of those supplements man, hence why I recommend not taking all of them. Remember, some doctors are good but remember that they are all working just like us to make money. Therefore they recommend every supplement under the sun and you wind up leaving there with no cash every time you go in. I wouldn't even see the point of you being on pregnenolone now until you figure everything else out. So I would be on testosterone, anti-E, thyroid meds, and then supplements to help your adrenals/cortisol metabolism. Then, I would test your RT3 and see how that t4/t3 combo med is working out for you. Lastly, I would add in some iodine. That in itself can make you feel much better. As for other vitamins, just take a multi-vitamin. My doc tried to put me on everything under the sun and I refused a lot of the stuff and my adrenals got back to normal by just taking a few things and making some lifestyle changes. Be patient and see how you do in a few weeks and go from there. Good luck.
=> Thanks. I am currently on 30mg/day hydrocortisone to support, but feeling even more like shit. Think I might quit it too.
Would testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) even do any good with underlying adrenal/thyroid problems? Ain't it better to work in the following order:
Identify problem causing Adrenal Fatigue => Cure Adrenal Fatigue/Thyroid => Address sex hormones.
I am taking a stress-complex multi-vitamin and some other vitamin supps, I guess they won't do any bad.

Hi mate, I put my reply in your post. Cheers.

 

[feemanbe]

Did you ever try Armour Thyroid? I heard it produces good results

No, I doubt if I even need T4 supplementation, maybe only Iodine and/or T3.

 

[alphamike2013]

Well I have to tell you, it is almost impossible to find a good holistic doctor, and from my experience you might be better off going to this doctor to work out your hormore problems first. Most holistic doctor will not prescribe you any extra hormores and you may really need them right now. I saw one doctor for 3 years and he never told me to take adrenal support even thought the tests showed I really needed it. So I just got some myself and started taking it, MADE ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD MATE. I could actaully finish a full day at work and not be tired when I got home. I am seeing another doctor and even though my test is below 100 (no shit) he doesnt want to give me test. So I self medicate...

You have to take you're own health in your hands, and do what you need to do to feel better. Just experiment and you will get there. Good luck man.

-D

 

[feemanbe]

Well I have to tell you, it is almost impossible to find a good holistic doctor, and from my experience you might be better off going to this doctor to work out your hormore problems first. Most holistic doctor will not prescribe you any extra hormores and you may really need them right now. I saw one doctor for 3 years and he never told me to take adrenal support even thought the tests showed I really needed it. So I just got some myself and started taking it, MADE ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD MATE. I could actaully finish a full day at work and not be tired when I got home. I am seeing another doctor and even though my test is below 100 (no shit) he doesnt want to give me test. So I self medicate...

You have to take you're own health in your hands, and do what you need to do to feel better. Just experiment and you will get there. Good luck man.

-D

Hi mate, Thanks for your reply. Indeed, I have now discovered I will have to do it all myself, study well about diets, supplements, hormones. I no longer trust in doctors, let alone conservative ones. They ALL suck big time.
100 Test, damn, that's nasty. In my case it is mostly the adrenal fatigue and probably some candida overgrowth which I tend to eliminate combining a candida/paleo diet, combined with Dr. Wilsons adrenal supplements (extracts), probiotics and antifungals. I tend to go with this all the way, possibly introducing DHEA and Pregnenolone furtheron. As I have many hormones in store now, , I'll introduce them slowly and not the "Hertoghe"' way (smacking shit against the wall ).

 

[methos]

feeman, are you more symptomatic after eating sugars? I am talking about the adrenal fatique type syptoms. I have also battled Candida overgrowth for the last decade. It mostly occurs after heavy antibiotics during surgeries etc. Candida will not always cause leaky gut syndrome, farting etc. I knocked it out on more than several occasions with 3-lac, low sugar diet, refrigerated priobiotics, diffulcan, nistatin etc. Does your tongue turn white if you don't eat for a coulpe hours. Just curious. I am only asking because I have had all of your symptoms when I am fighting the overgrowth.

 

[feemanbe]

feeman, are you more symptomatic after eating sugars? I am talking about the adrenal fatique type syptoms. I have also battled Candida overgrowth for the last decade. It mostly occurs after heavy antibiotics during surgeries etc. Candida will not always cause leaky gut syndrome, farting etc. I knocked it out on more than several occasions with 3-lac, low sugar diet, refrigerated priobiotics, diffulcan, nistatin etc. Does your tongue turn white if you don't eat for a coulpe hours. Just curious. I am only asking because I have had all of your symptoms when I am fighting the overgrowth.

Hi. Yup, white tongue indeed. I don't eat any sugar as I know this feeds the yeast, so can't tell.
I've never taken antibiotics for long (2 weeks max).
The candida blood result was an IgG antibody test, which came out as doubtful. I have no further indication for candida...
I was thinking about combining a candida diet with the adrenal fatigue diet the best possible (some quinoa to have some carbs).
I've also heard some gut stuff on Iodine, have you tried it?

 

[methos]

I have not tried iodine. I did try nano-silver in effort to combat the Candida. My blood test came up negative for Candida as well. It's a very difficult test to rely since yeast obviously occurs naturally in our systems. Many doctors don't even believe it's a real issue. Until of course I found a doc that had dealt with it personally. I can get out of balance from a single dose of Vancomiocin (spelled wrong) when I get disc injections. When I ask about sugar intake, I am talking about even the medium gycemic stuff such as breads etc. Those can all contribute. The symptoms are crazy once the Candida becomes systemic. Swollen eyes, swollen lymph nodes, sinus issues, all of the gut issues listed above, EXTREME fatigue. And all of these don't necessarily have to be present at the same time.

The white tongue is caused by yeast die off after not eating sugars for a few hours. I was battling adrenal fatique for over a year and a half before I realized it was Candida. Then I solved the problem in a couple weeks by starving out the sugars, hitting the 3-Lac pretty hard as well as a few prescribed antifungals that are able to make it through the digestive system such as griseofulvin and diffulcan.

I wish you good luck in your pursuit. It's a tough road.

 

[feemanbe]

I have not tried iodine. I did try nano-silver in effort to combat the Candida. My blood test came up negative for Candida as well. It's a very difficult test to rely since yeast obviously occurs naturally in our systems. Many doctors don't even believe it's a real issue. Until of course I found a doc that had dealt with it personally. I can get out of balance from a single dose of Vancomiocin (spelled wrong) when I get disc injections. When I ask about sugar intake, I am talking about even the medium gycemic stuff such as breads etc. Those can all contribute. The symptoms are crazy once the Candida becomes systemic. Swollen eyes, swollen lymph nodes, sinus issues, all of the gut issues listed above, EXTREME fatigue. And all of these don't necessarily have to be present at the same time.

The white tongue is caused by yeast die off after not eating sugars for a few hours. I was battling adrenal fatique for over a year and a half before I realized it was Candida. Then I solved the problem in a couple weeks by starving out the sugars, hitting the 3-Lac pretty hard as well as a few prescribed antifungals that are able to make it through the digestive system such as griseofulvin and diffulcan.

I wish you good luck in your pursuit. It's a tough road.

Thanks. I am soon to start Dr. Wilson's protocol to recover from adrenal fatigue. But I was thinking to combat candida meanwhile. Which (over the counter) antifungals would you suggest, together with 3-Lac?

Thanks.

 

[methos]

I was not very successful with any over the counter anitfungals. The only one that help a little was garlic tablets. But once the issue became systemic, I had to go with scripts for the anti-fungals. I would try the diet and 3-lac first. You will know within a week if this is the underlying cause of your symptoms. The diet is very strict. Any cheating or mistakes and it's a 2 day set back.