i think my doctors a fucking quack

[e92]

i've been blasting and cruising for just over 2.5 years, but i've been cruising on like 175-200mg prop a week for over 6 months. i decided i wanna come off juice completely. so i go to a urologist, tell him all the stuff i've been taking and at what dosages (currently just on prop).... and he told me to just stop injecting and get bloods done in 2 weeks, and at 4 weeks. and at 4 weeks he will meet with me and see if treatment is needed

i told him i dont wanna deal with the psychological and physical effects of my testosterone crashing, or just coming off gear completely for that matter. i dont wanna be put at risk for gyno or bloating either.

i asked him for clomid and he said he doesn't know if its necessary yet. i asked him what about HCG and he said again, it might not be necessary. and i asked him but why put me at risk of depression and all of this stuff, and he said well it sounds like you're struggling with an addiction so i should seek help for that. maybe so, but that's not the issue here.

the only thing i left that office with was a bloodwork referral for now and in 2 weeks.

 

[hiram1st]

Sounds like you need to see a new dr. We're you self prescribed trt? If you were you might want to self pct get started back up and see where you are then see a dr.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

If I were you I'd get myself some hCG, clomid & nolva and come off myself. Once I'd finished my "restart"/PCT then I'd get bloods and seek additional treatment if necessary. For all you know you might end up bouncing back.

 

[e92]

Sounds like you need to see a new dr. We're you self prescribed trt? If you were you might want to self pct get started back up and see where you are then see a dr.

yes i was self prescribed trt. and that's what i thought the doctor would do for me, prescribe me a PCT or at least give me SOMETHING. he seemed like an asshole immediately, but i'd expect him to at least have the knowledge of knowing you cant just come off steroids. even when i told him i took pharma grade test and AI he said "wow where are you getting that stuff from" ..... not hard to come by guy

If I were you I'd get myself some hCG, clomid & nolva and come off myself. Once I'd finished my "restart"/PCT then I'd get bloods and seek additional treatment if necessary. For all you know you might end up bouncing back.

that's what he said. he said i'm a young guy and i could just bounce back not needing anything. but my buddy was an unlucky guy who did a few cycles, and had basically no testosterone for months until he saw a doctor, and i don't want to risk that.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

yes i was self prescribed trt. and that's what i thought the doctor would do for me, prescribe me a PCT or at least give me SOMETHING. he seemed like an asshole immediately, but i'd expect him to at least have the knowledge of knowing you cant just come off steroids. even when i told him i took pharma grade test and AI he said "wow where are you getting that stuff from" ..... not hard to come by guy


that's what he said. he said i'm a young guy and i could just bounce back not needing anything. but my buddy was an unlucky guy who did a few cycles, and had basically no testosterone for months. he's good now though

nooooo nono I didn't mean bounce back without anything, I meant with a proper hCG & SERM protocol lol. You may well recover to decent levels with that. I'd be very doubtful you would recover to anything near decent just by coming off cold turkey... and even if you did it would likely takes months (or years.) Get yourself some hcg, clomid & nolva, blast your hcg for two weeks then aggressive PCT (100/50/50/50/50/50 clomid & 40/20/20/20/20/20 nolva) then test bloods 6 weeks later.

 

[e92]

nooooo nono I didn't mean bounce back without anything, I meant with a proper hCG & SERM protocol lol. You may well recover to decent levels with that. I'd be very doubtful you would recover to anything near decent just by coming off cold turkey... and even if you did it would likely takes months (or years.) Get yourself some hcg, clomid & nolva, blast your hcg for two weeks then aggressive PCT (100/50/50/50/50/50 clomid & 40/20/20/20/20/20 nolva) then test bloods 6 weeks later.

yeah i got you i understood what you meant it just came out wrong on my end. that was my original plan, but then i thought maybe i should see a professional about this but they are always too afraid of prescribing something and losing their license. i will bet ANYTHING, that he wants to check my bloods to verify that i'm actually seeking treatment and not bullshitting him for pharma grade PCT. he also asked twice when i plan on stop using i said ASAP.

but anyway, i dont plan on returning to this doctor i dont like the way he approached this at all. i'm seeing an endo tomorrow in hopes that he will prescribe me something. and also, how much HCG do you guys recommend i blast for 2 weeks ?

 

[hiram1st]

nooooo nono I didn't mean bounce back without anything, I meant with a proper hCG & SERM protocol lol. You may well recover to decent levels with that. I'd be very doubtful you would recover to anything near decent just by coming off cold turkey... and even if you did it would likely takes months (or years.) Get yourself some hcg, clomid & nolva, blast your hcg for two weeks then aggressive PCT (100/50/50/50/50/50 clomid & 40/20/20/20/20/20 nolva) then test bloods 6 weeks later.

This. Enough said

 

[hiram1st]

yeah i got you i understood what you meant it just came out wrong on my end. that was my original plan, but then i thought maybe i should see a professional about this but they are always too afraid of prescribing something and losing their license. i will bet ANYTHING, that he wants to check my bloods to verify that i'm actually seeking treatment and not bullshitting him for pharma grade PCT. he also asked twice when i plan on stop using i said ASAP.

but anyway, i dont plan on returning to this doctor i dont like the way he approached this at all. i'm seeing an endo tomorrow in hopes that he will prescribe me something. and also, how much HCG do you guys recommend i blast for 2 weeks ?

Ill let someone else suggest the HCG protocol but like prince stated come off youself and get bloods 6 weeks after PCT see where your at before going to a dr. You go in there telling them you've been self prescribing they aren' t going to want to touch you with a 10 foot pole.

This is my opinion brother

 

[PrinceDianabol]

yeah i got you i understood what you meant it just came out wrong on my end. that was my original plan, but then i thought maybe i should see a professional about this but they are always too afraid of prescribing something and losing their license. i will bet ANYTHING, that he wants to check my bloods to verify that i'm actually seeking treatment and not bullshitting him for pharma grade PCT. he also asked twice when i plan on stop using i said ASAP.

but anyway, i dont plan on returning to this doctor i dont like the way he approached this at all. i'm seeing an endo tomorrow in hopes that he will prescribe me something. and also, how much HCG do you guys recommend i blast for 2 weeks ?

have you been running hcg at all during your blast/cruise?

 

[e92]

have you been running hcg at all during your blast/cruise?

nope

 

[e92]

Ill let someone else suggest the HCG protocol but like prince stated come off youself and get bloods 6 weeks after PCT see where your at before going to a dr. You go in there telling them you've been self prescribing they aren' t going to want to touch you with a 10 foot pole.

This is my opinion brother

so you're saying no matter what doctor i go to, if i tell them i want to come off self prescribed TRT they will not prescribe me anything right off the bat?

 

[PrinceDianabol]

so you're saying no matter what doctor i go to, if i tell them i want to come off self prescribed TRT they will not prescribe me anything right off the bat?

Not necessarily, but a lot of them are like that. Too worried they might get themselves in shit.

Theres a lot of debate as to how best blast hcg, with most recommendations being somewhere between 250-500 iu daily for 10-20 days. I'd pick somewhere in the middle and shoot for maybe 250 iu daily for 7 days then 500 iu daily for 4-7days. Of course if you'd been using hcg on cycle you wouldn't need to do a blast, but in this case you will.

I would also start clomid and nolva at the same time as hcg, even though they wont do anything whilst your on hcg they will still build up serum levels in the blood, so when you come off hcg they will already be there and working at full force. Just make sure you run them for 6 weeks straight AFTER you've stopped hcg.

 

[hiram1st]

so you're saying no matter what doctor i go to, if i tell them i want to come off self prescribed TRT they will not prescribe me anything right off the bat?

Prince nailed it with :Not necessarily, but a lot of them are like that. Too worried they might get themselves in shit.

You also have to consider airing that stuff out and it getting put in a medical file that your using ULG AAS. It can be an issue for you down the line

 

[e92]

Not necessarily, but a lot of them are like that. Too worried they might get themselves in shit.

Theres a lot of debate as to how best blast hcg, with most recommendations being somewhere between 250-500 iu daily for 10-20 days. I'd pick somewhere in the middle and shoot for maybe 250 iu daily for 7 days then 500 iu daily for 4-7days. Of course if you'd been using hcg on cycle you wouldn't need to do a blast, but in this case you will.

I would also start clomid and nolva at the same time as hcg, even though they wont do anything whilst your on hcg they will still build up serum levels in the blood, so when you come off hcg they will already be there and working at full force. Just make sure you run them for 6 weeks straight AFTER you've stopped hcg.

good advice. last question.. it'll be about 2 weeks until i can get the hcg so should i just stay on test until then?

and im trying one more doctor tomorrow to try and get clomid and hcg. its doubtful but its worth a try, all i am wasting is an hour of my day..

 

[PrinceDianabol]

good advice. last question.. it'll be about 2 weeks until i can get the hcg so should i just stay on test until then?

and im trying one more doctor tomorrow to try and get clomid and hcg. its doubtful but its worth a try, all i am wasting is an hour of my day..

Yes stay on til you have everything on hand. After 2.5 years I'm sure 2 weeks longer won't hurt much more lol.

Yeah go for it, would be great to get it all on prescription if you can. If not like you said, its only a hour..