I want to run NPP higher than test...try and stop me

[LightBearer]

No, really, is it that risky? im a little androgen sensitive, and id like to run NPP at around 400+per week, and test prop at around 350 per week, for my second cycle.

Now it seems to me that if i have a solid amount of test in my body, and also take caber 2x per week plus aromasin, my sex drive should be in-tact, and if i do have 19nor sides then i could just drop the dose or stop it all together, being its a short ester.
Do any of you guys have experience or advise about running NPP higher than test?

Im not sure of the rules but ill post some stats, im 26, about a month ago I finished a first cycle of test-e at 500mg per week,seen good gains but gained some unwanted fat due to sloppy diet. Ive been lifting for 6 years, im 5'9 206lbs.

 

[Bullseye Forever]

i wouldnt advise it brother,you might get away with running the same amount of test as npp,but no less

 

[Zeek]

Strangely enough NPP doesn't play the same evil tricks on zeek jr that standard deca does.

When are you thinking of starting this 2nd run?

 

[b_saan]

Quite frankly I know quite a few people that run Deca as their primary anabolic along with a more replacement sized dose of test. It can work just fine, though you'll want to be prepared in case you need to add more test.

More test than deca is the parroted rule on this site usually but that doesn't make it the only way to do things.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

ive ran deca higher than my testosterone. It is a myth that you need to run T higher than your nandrolone, it actually makes you more prone to 19nor sides by running a hefty amount of T.

dont get me wrong, you are sacrificing some size doing it this way, since deca is more of an anabolic and T is also androgenic. the 2 have a synergy together, but it will minimize sides if you keep your T low.

also ive never ran any caber or anything and ive ran deca as high as 8 or 900mg.

 

[LightBearer]

Strangely enough NPP doesn't play the same evil tricks on zeek jr that standard deca does.

When are you thinking of starting this 2nd run?

Well, going by the time off/=/time on+PCT rule, im still in my last week of pct (recovered beautifully, i shoot bigger loads than before my cycle) Ill probably start this 2nd run in march, even though id like to start in jan.

thanks for the input btw bros

EDIT: just seen last few replys thats wtf im talking about! I think it could work just fine. Honestly id like to go over 400mg NPP since id be letting the 19nor do the work, idk if i have the balls to try that though

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Well, going by the time off/=/time on+PCT rule, im still in my last week of pct (recovered beautifully, i shoot bigger loads than before my cycle) Ill probably start this 2nd run in march, even though id like to start in jan.

thanks for the input btw bros

EDIT: just seen last few replys thats wtf im talking about! I think it could work just fine. Honestly id like to go over 400mg NPP since id be letting the 19nor do the work, idk if i have the balls to try that though

there is a study floating around on HIV patients, they gave them 600mg of deca a week, they had no more side effects than the study here on test.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/153723-300mg-vs-600mg-testosterone.html#post2164571

 

[b_saan]

Run the NPP at 150 EOD and the TProp at 100 EoD, that'll give you 525 NPP/350 TProp per week (technically 1050 Npp/700 TProp every 2 weeks).

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

here it is:


Nandrolone.
All subjects received nandrolone decanoate (Deca Durabolin; Organon, West Orange, NJ) by weekly intramuscular injection for 16 wk. Subjects were randomized to nandrolone alone or nandrolone plus progressive resistance training (PRT). The first dose of nandrolone was 200 mg, the second dose was 400 mg, and for weeks 12 the dose was 600 mg. Doses were reduced during weeks 13(400 mg, 200 mg, 100 mg, and 50 mg, respectively) to withdraw patients from pharmacological dosing.

DISCUSSION

The dose of nandrolone decanoate evaluated in this proof-of-concept study is of similar magnitude to the high doses of parenteral androgens used by body builders, is in the range of popular regimens to treat autoimmune deficiency syndrome, or AIDS wasting syndrome (e.g., 400 mg of testosterone enanthate plus 400 mg of nandrolone), and may be similar to the supraphysiological doses of testosterone (600 mg weekly) shown to be safe for 20 wk (10). The importance of our findings relates to the effects of pharmacological doses of this esterified androgen with and without resistance exercise on lipid and carbohydrate metabolism in subjects with HIV who are prone to metabolic dysregulation. Moreover, we believe that this is the first study to assess the evolution of metabolic outcomes 2 mo after completion of a course of treatment with this anabolic steroid.

Metabolic effects of nandrolone decanoate and resistance training in men with HIV

 

[LightBearer]

great info bro thx, b saan I like how that looks, i think ill do it. In the mean time while im waiting, ive got my diet and cardio on track and plan to enter this cycle at about 12%bf

 

[ErectusMaximus]

I can run deca and test at say 500/500 or 1:1 without an issue, never tried more nnp than test though. You can always try it and adjust if it goes sour.

 

[UserAt204]

Agree with all above. Typically I would use them both to see how you are effected but there is nothing wrong with running a higher dose of nandro to test.

Some people seem sensitive to nandro and have sides no matter what. If you are not one of those people then there should be nothing to worry about. Not to mention if you do just adjust doses. Caber will keep prolactin down but as DET mentioned, high doses of test can increase sides from nandro.

 

[Rodstar]

i wouldnt advise it brother,you might get away with running the same amount of test as npp,but no less

Why??
Why would u need more than maintenance test dosage?

 

[Fish44]

Why??
Why would u need more than maintenance test dosage?

Why bring a 2 year thread back up?

 

[Rodstar]

Why bring a 2 year thread back up?

Simply cuz some people seek info from old and new threads.
I'm running npp in my future cycle and when I search about the compound im running, I type npp and read all the posts about it.
I guess u did the same other wise u wouldn't cross into my post.
Now..
do u have an answer for the question?