IGF-1 and analogues wont work if chemically synthesized

So what is the reason these peptide companies even bother making it the wrong way if they knkw it doesn't work?

Why not just put some sterile useless powder in a vial..

If its nonrecumbant will it still pass a igf1 blood test...allowing the user to think its working because its showing up in the blood test?


It is definitely possible that the ELISA used to measure IGF-1 blood levels could recognize the unfolded version of the protein, as made by all the peptide companies.

As to your question about why all these peptide companies offer chemically synthesized version of IGF-1 when they know it wont work; its all about the money. I would not purchase this stuff unless you were absolutely sure it was made from recombinant sources...
 
$$$$. Before Moppy, who else has said something similar? By putting inactive IGF-1 variations in there they can claim it is indeed IGF-1 xxx instead of blatant false advertising.

It is not unlike myostatin inhibitors. There were countless companies on the internet claiming orally active myostatin inhibitor, which was complete bunk. But there was a time when people in the BB community latched on to this and were suggesting positive effects from myostatin inhibitors. With respect to the IGF-1 story, the actual science here is pretty complex, and what everyone overlooked was verifying the biologic activity, and that IGF-1 is structually almost identical to insulin, and all human grade insulin that works is recombinant. No way to chemically synthesize insulin, as it has 3 disulfide bonds that have to be generated in a biologic organism, so it is folded correctly to interact with the receptor. IGF-1 is absolutely the same as insulin in this respect, with the same 3 disulfide bonds. There are 100s of studies in the older scientific literature on properly producing insulin so it is folded and active. Before recombinant technology, insulin was derived from animal sources (bovine pancreas). Peptide companies are making inactive IGF-1......
 
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It is not unlike myostatin inhibitors. There were countless companies on the internet claiming orally active myostatin inhibitor, which was complete bunk. But there was a time when people in the BB community latched on to this and were suggesting positive effects from myostatin inhibitors. With respect to the IGF-1 story, the actual science here is pretty complex, and what everyone overlooked was verifying the biologic activity, and that IGF-1 is structually almost identical to insulin, and all human grade insulin that works is recombinant. No way to chemically synthesize insulin, as it has 3 disulfide bonds that have to be generated in a biologic organism, so it is folded correctly to interact with the receptor. IGF-1 is absolutely the same as insulin in this respect, with the same 3 disulfide bonds. There are 100s of studies in the older scientific literature on properly producing insulin so it is folded and active. Before recombinant technology, insulin was derived from animal sources (bovine pancreas). Peptide companies are making inactive IGF-1......

I know some pharmaceutical people and I'll be running this by them. You have piqued my interest in this. I hadn't considered running any peptides besides maybe TB500 but I'd love to see where this leads. Any specific references you suggest looking into first? Thanks.
 
I think RUI explained this perfectly in your other thread. People should read it and should be a bit cautious about including all pep companies under the same large umbrella. It explains quite a bit about why they cost what they cost and how people do in fact see results with rui products.
 
I think RUI explained this perfectly in your other thread. People should read it and should be a bit cautious about including all pep companies under the same large umbrella. It explains quite a bit about why they cost what they cost and how people do in fact see results with rui products.

So rui's igf is recombant?
 
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I think RUI explained this perfectly in your other thread. People should read it and should be a bit cautious about including all pep companies under the same large umbrella. It explains quite a bit about why they cost what they cost and how people do in fact see results with rui products.

I did not want to step on the toes of RUI, cause I use all their products and they are as legitimate as one can hope to find in this "business", and their price point on IGF-1 products is much higher than the peptide synthesis companies, so it is likely they obtain their IGF-1 isoforms from a recombinant source. Maybe they can comment on this........or even update their website to indicate it was not made by peptide synthesis
 
Actually, RUI just responded to this general discussion in the Peptide Science forum and they indeed claim to get their IGF-1 isoforms from a recombinant source!!! They are probably the only ones that are doing this right, and that I trust...
 
thanks for sharing this kind of info moppy. so you suggest from your studies that human use would have to be upwards of 200mcg to notice muscle mass? what about intestine growth. can we use 50-100 and have slower results
 
I long for the day that recombiant IGF-1 is readily available. iirc, something put a halt to its production in the US, I think patents or something similar.

Also, IGF-1 lr3 (the good stuff) is only prescribed to ~75 people in the whole country of the United States. Have fun trying to get some of that, damn near impossible.
 
thanks for sharing this kind of info moppy. so you suggest from your studies that human use would have to be upwards of 200mcg to notice muscle mass? what about intestine growth. can we use 50-100 and have slower results

The clinical studies on IGF-1 dosages in humans are very limited, and nothing as been reported of dosage-based side effects on undesirable end organ growth (heart, intestines, liver, etc). All I can relay is what works in rodents to cause muscle growth. Scaling that up in humans, if all other factors are equal, suggests a pretty high dosage (200-300 mcg per injection). However, IGF-1 is way more effective in mice in producing muscle growth than GH. SO this protein has the potential to be a game changer, if made in sufficient quantity and of the right quality, but in a way we can afford it.
 
I long for the day that recombiant IGF-1 is readily available. iirc, something put a halt to its production in the US, I think patents or something similar.

Also, IGF-1 lr3 (the good stuff) is only prescribed to ~75 people in the whole country of the United States. Have fun trying to get some of that, damn near impossible.

Totally agree bro!!!!! Cant wait till we might see this at reasonable pricing so we can really dose this stuff properly and have it make muscle!!!
 
This thread was a wealth of information. Thank you. Moppy1 or anyone else- what are some of the most reliable online sources in the USA you would recommend to buy high purity recombinant IGF DES? I am seeing price ranges out there for 1mg from $70 - $2500. Prospecbio (prospecbio.com) is one I am considering. Anyone heard of these folks?? I tried emailing RUI with questions on purity and whether recombinant or not...did not get a response. Any suggestions would greatly appreciated.
 
Moppy1 or anyone else - I keep hearing RUI repeatedly in the threads here as being a reputable place to buy from. However, their website does not mention anything about recombinant sources for IGF and I did not receive a response to my question about the same when I tried asking through their website Q&A interface.

Other than RUI, what other US suppliers would you recommend to buy high purity recombinant IGF DES from? Online research suggests 1mg IGF DES price ranges are from $70 - $2500. Some say receptor grade. Some don't. Most are from outside the US. Like prospecbio. But they ship from Israel. It quickly starts to get pretty confusing.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
RUI posted before New Year that their igf was recombinant dna synthesized. It was quite the topic at that time if I recall. See post 31 in this thread in fact and maybe search for the other thread. BTW if you message them (rui) and ask at all about human use etc they wont even answer you for good reason.
 
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