IGF-1Lr3 proper usage, timing, muscle etc...

[Gnome]

Hey guys,

Been told a few things about IGF and when to use it by a couple of guys who have done it.. I have run it a few times but am not convinced when it is the best time to use it.... I have split 150mcg first thing in the morning and then 150mcg after workout in the same muscle group... Then I tried same dosage before workout and then within 20 minutes of post workout.. I split half in each muscle (eg. biceip) with each injection.. Then I was told to inject 150mcg at night in the muscle to be worked on the next day and after the mucscle is worked inject within 20 mins of post workout... What are your thoughts?? Doesn't injecting right after workout affect the MGF?? How long should IGF be run and when is it best NOT to use it...

 

[Gnome]

Hey guys,

Been told a few things about IGF and when to use it by a couple of guys who have done it.. I have run it a few times but am not convinced when it is the best time to use it.... I have split 150mcg first thing in the morning and then 150mcg after workout in the same muscle group... Then I tried same dosage before workout and then within 20 minutes of post workout.. I split half in each muscle (eg. biceip) with each injection.. Then I was told to inject 150mcg at night in the muscle to be worked on the next day and after the mucscle is worked inject within 20 mins of post workout... What are your thoughts?? Doesn't injecting right after workout affect the MGF?? How long should IGF be run and when is it best NOT to use it...

Any thoughts at all??

 

[Osta-Marketing]

There are many ways to apply this product in your experiments Gnome. Each administration has an advantage. The recommended administration is taking advantage of the insulin like transport system. Thus the pre or post training method. Insulin acts as a super shuttle forcing nutrients into the cells. IGF being Insulin Like Growth Factor uses this same passage way.

The method of administration at night may stimulate dormant cells and cause a splicing with elevated IGF in what is called Hyperplasia(cell stimulation) or even Hypertrophy (cell volumizing). Reference here for your research Hyperplasia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's your choice what you choose to apply this product in your experiments. What ever you feel benefits your best research results.

Also, MGF is another form of IGF by the way. It was named MGF (mechano growth factor) by the creator because he did not want this abused by the general public and related to the IGF class of proteins.

You can get your IGF here at Osta-gain.com CLICK HERE

 

[Gnome]

There are many ways to apply this product in your experiments Gnome. Each administration has an advantage. The recommended administration is taking advantage of the insulin like transport system. Thus the pre or post training method. Insulin acts as a super shuttle forcing nutrients into the cells. IGF being Insulin Like Growth Factor uses this same passage way.

The method of administration at night may stimulate dormant cells and cause a splicing with elevated IGF in what is called Hyperplasia(cell stimulation) or even Hypertrophy (cell volumizing). Reference here for your research Hyperplasia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's your choice what you choose to apply this product in your experiments. What ever you feel benefits your best research results.

Also, MGF is another form of IGF by the way. It was named MGF (mechano growth factor) by the creator because he did not want this abused by the general public and related to the IGF class of proteins.

You can get your IGF here at Osta-gain.com CLICK HERE

Thanks for the good info!! So if you were to conduct your own experiment what would you do and when for best results??

 

[Phatbastard]

Hey guys,

Been told a few things about IGF and when to use it by a couple of guys who have done it.. I have run it a few times but am not convinced when it is the best time to use it.... I have split 150mcg first thing in the morning and then 150mcg after workout in the same muscle group... Then I tried same dosage before workout and then within 20 minutes of post workout.. I split half in each muscle (eg. biceip) with each injection.. Then I was told to inject 150mcg at night in the muscle to be worked on the next day and after the mucscle is worked inject within 20 mins of post workout... What are your thoughts?? Doesn't injecting right after workout affect the MGF?? How long should IGF be run and when is it best NOT to use it...

Well Gnome,

After my research I would suggest some thing like this.

If LR3 is the only pep you taking I personally pin it PWO between 10 and 20 mins after. Reason being if your body will produce some IGF1 as well as MGF from the work out. Hence my short delay before pinning.

You can also pin in the morning on non work out days theory is to stave off catabolizm.

With the half life or LR3 (suposidly around 6/8hrs pending what report you read) either pre or post should work fine. Most are using it post.

Now if you choose to add MGF to the equation. I would pin that right after your work out folloewd by the LR3 aprox 20 min later. There are some good reaserch studys done in the synergistic affects of youing it this way. They can be found on google.

 

[Gnome]

Well Gnome,

After my research I would suggest some thing like this.

If LR3 is the only pep you taking I personally pin it PWO between 10 and 20 mins after. Reason being if your body will produce some IGF1 as well as MGF from the work out. Hence my short delay before pinning.

You can also pin in the morning on non work out days theory is to stave off catabolizm.

With the half life or LR3 (suposidly around 6/8hrs pending what report you read) either pre or post should work fine. Most are using it post.

Now if you choose to add MGF to the equation. I would pin that right after your work out folloewd by the LR3 aprox 20 min later. There are some good reaserch studys done in the synergistic affects of youing it this way. They can be found on google.

Awesome thank you!!! What do most gain by using this stuff??

 

[Phatbastard]

Awesome thank you!!! What do most gain by using this stuff??

well again in theory its hyperplasia!

I don't know about that but what I notice is different pending time dosed.

Prework out I experience insane pumps and crazy fast recovery between sets.

Post work out is suposedly for gains hyperplasia action. Obviusely it kind of hard to prove hyperplasia. But recovey is noticable PWO.

Hope that helps

Pending BF % you should also seem some noticable vascularity realatively soon

 

[gymrat827]

your doing 300mcg of IGF1LR3 ED!!!???? thats a lot. im only on 40.

 

[gymrat827]

This article will discuss the use of Mechano growth factor and clear up a few myths.

WHAT IS MGF?

Mechano Growth Factor (MGF) also known as IGF-1Ec is a growth factor/repair factor that is derived from exercised or damaged muscle tissue, Its called MGF as IGF-1Ec is a bit of a mouthful and harder to identify amongst the other igf variants.
What makes MGF special is its unique role in muscle growth.
MGF has the ability to cause wasted tissue to grow and improve itself by activating muscle stem cells and increasing the upregulation of protein synthesis, this unique ability can rapidly improve recovery and speed up muscle growth.
MGF can initiate muscle satellite (stem) cell activation in addition to its IGF-Ireceptor domain which ithen in turn ncreases protein synthesis turnover, and therefore can if used correctly improve muscle mass over time.
The liver produces 2 kinds of MGF splice variants of igf..
1) IGF-1Ec This is the first phase release igf splice variant and it appears to stimulate satellite cells into activation, This is the closest variant to synthetic MGF.

2) liver type IGF-IEa this is the secondary release of igf from the liver, and its far less anabolic.

MGF differs from the second variant IGF-IEa as it has a different peptide sequence which is responsible for replenishing the satellite cells in skeletal muscle, in other words it is more anabolic and longer acting than the systematic release of the second MGF liver variant.

So just think of MGF as a highly anabolic variant of igf. After you have trained, the IGF-I gene is spliced towards MGF then that causes hypertrophy and repair of local muscle damage by activating the muscle stem cells as well as other important anabolic processes, including the above mentioned protein synthesis, and increased nitrogen retention.

In rats some studies have shown muscle mass increases of 20 percent from a single mgf injection.. somewhow i think many of these studies are not accurate, however the potential is undeniable.

HOW TO USE MGF

Now when you train what happens to your muscles, they break down, the cells are damaged, muscle tissue needs to be repaired and your body produces 2 forms of MGF splice variant, The first initial release of the above mentioned number 1 variant from the liver helps muscle cell recovery, if there is no MGF then muscle cells die, thats the large and small of it.
As muscle is a post-mitotic tissue and as such cell replacement is not a means of tissue repair , If the cells are not repaired they die and your muscles get smaller and weaker.
The muscle The pool of these stem cells is apparently replenished by the action of MGF, which is produced as a pulse following damage.

Now with synthetic injections of MGF you can increase the pulse and so speed up recovery, and increase the muscle tissue cells by stimulating satelite cells into full maturity. 200mcg bi lateraly is the very best choice of dosing in muscles trained.
Thew only problem with MGF and this is the reason i dont like it, is that it has such a short half life, just a few minutes, between 5-7, and it needs to be used immediatley post workout as it wont work if muscle tissue hasnt been damaged, thats why for me personaly i think the best option is PEG MGF.
Nevertheless MGF has a huge role to play, and is administered to those with muscle wasting diseases and for those who are elderly and have lost muscle mass for good reason, it is EXTREMELY anabolic.


HOW TO USE PEG MGF



This is a very important section.
When using MGF thats pegylated thats the addition of Polyethylene glycol, its a non toxic additive that increased the half life of MGF from minutes to hours.
This means its uses and versatility make it a tremendous addition to a bodybuilders aresnal.
I have found it most effective as its effects are systematic, that means they have a whole body effect wherever muscle has been damaged or is diseased.

The next aspect we need to look at is how to make the most use of a long acting version of MGF.
When your muscle is damaged your body releases a pulse of an MGF splice variant as i outlined above, followed by a less anabolic longer acting version from the liver... So it seems a waste to inject MGF at this time as you will just blunt your bodys own release, your not enhaning it.
So using PEG MGF on non workout days is actualy the very best route, the muscle has been damaged, so there are plenty of receptors for MGF, the effects are systematic so all muscles will be helped to recover through increased nitrogen retention, protein turnover, and satelite cell activation. Recovery is just going to sky rocket.
Doing this means your increasing the length of your bodys own mechanism for muscle repair and growth, your opening up the anabolic window.

NOW PLEASE TAKE CAREFUL NOTE.

Running PEG MGF in synergy with IGF is perfect but there are things you need to know.
If you dose them at the same time, as IGF has such strong receptor affinity, The effectivness of MGF will just be wasted.
The best option and the very best choice i feel is this....
IGF DES on workout days Pre workout, or IGF1-LR3 this wont blunt your bodys own MGF release from the liver, and whereas IGF1-LR3 has a more systematic effect and only a very small localised anabolic effect, DES on the other hand is verty anabolic in a localised way, so bring up lagging muscle parts with DES, and then the following day Dose MGF at 200-400mcg subq to increase recovery and the mechanism for growth. Perfect synergy.

Over a 4 week run i noticed about 4lb increase with the PEG MGF and DES partnership. And roughly the same weight in fat loss, very impressive, some though have noted far greater increases in muscle mass.
If your on an AAS cycle there is no need for the addition of DES as IGF levels will already be elevated, then the addition of PEG MGF can take your recovery and gains to a new level.

STORAGE ETC

Dosing 3 times a week is best, and 1ml of BA water for every 2mg is optimal. Storage in the fridge for up to 6 months. Avoid exposure to heat or sunlight.






this dosing schedule i see all over the place

MGF + LR3 IGF-1 Dosage Scheme (following intense loading of lagging muscle group)

Assuming a 4 day per week workout schedule on M-T and Th-F:

Day 1: 150mg PEG-MGF 1-2 hours before lifting
Day 2: 10mcg-40mcg LR3 IGF-1 PWO
Day 3: None
Day 4: 10mcg-40mcg LR3 IGF-1 Before Breakfast
Day 5: 150mg PEG-MGF 1-2 hours before lifting
Day 6: 10mcg-40mcg LR3 IGF-1
Day 7: None

 

[Gnome]

your doing 300mcg of IGF1LR3 ED!!!???? thats a lot. im only on 40.

Only on workout days...