Important Warning About Topically Applied Spironolactone!!

AussieThunder

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Last week I ordered a bottle of Dr Richard Lee's 2% spironolactone solution from http://www.minoxidil.com
I applied it to the thinning areas of my hairline the night before as well as the morning of a blood test which included total testosterone and free testosterone. My blood test result came back as well below the normal range :

Total testosterone 5.4 nmol/L (normal range 9.5 - 35)
Calculated free testosterone 123 pmol/L (normal range 225 - 725)
Both my LH and FSH levels were in the normal range at 4 IU/L (range 1-10)

Exactly 3 weeks before I had the above blood test, I also had my testosterone levels tested. The results of this test were as follows :

Serum testosterone 16.1 nmol/L (normal range 12.4 - 34.1)
Free testosterone 53 pmol/L (normal range 31 - 100.0)

As you can see, I was in the low range of normal for testosterone in my first test, however, unlike the second test, I was still within the normal range.
I did not take any other medications or supplements over that 3 week period between the 1st and 2nd blood tests and I have not taken any drugs of any description for more than a year.
Since my T levels have fallen so dramatically in the space of just 3 weeks, I can't think of anything other than the 2% spironolactone solution that could have caused this large drop. My current blood test results shows that my blood T levels are at pre-pubescent levels!

Anyone who is thinking about using topically applied spironolactone, please don't do it. Don't believe the lies you read about topically applied spironolactone not having any systemic effects.
I think it is imperative that anyone using topical spironolactone be monitored closely for systemic side effects and blood hormone level alterations.
 
It is hard to draw a solid conclusion from this very small amount of data, but I thank you for providing it regardless.
 
putin said:
Are you using any gear?

No I'm not. Read my post!
Incidently, I've stopped using the topical spiro and feel just the same as I did before I used it, which suggests that my T levels have bounced back into the normal range again. I will get them re-checked again shortly and post the result of this test. If they have returned to the normal range, I can be pretty sure that the 2% topical spironolactone was the culprit.
If anyone reading this post who is not taking any hormonally altering drugs has topical spironolactone in their possession, I would suggest you take a blood test to establish your baseline total and free T levels. Try applying the solution first thing in the morning and then have the blood test about an hour afterwards and find out what it does to your testosterone.
I don't know for how long topical spiro suppresses testosterone for. It's possible that if it is applied at night, it suppresses testosterone while you sleep (very bad), but by the time you take a blood test in the morning, testosterone levels have returned to normal.
I definitely think that far more research needs to be done on the effect topical spironolactone has on testosterone levels.
 
The current understanding of Spironolactone is that it acts as an androgen agonist/antagonist in the body which competatively binds to androgen receptors. Currently it is understood that Spironolactone does not reduce androgen levels in the body.

To better understand how Spironolactone affects androgens in the body, you can compare it to Nolvadex which is an estrogen agonist/antagonist. Nolvadex does not lower the amount of excess estrogen in the body, but only occupies the estrogen receptor site there by blocking estrogen from exerting any action on the target cells.
 
I've read that too, but I think it is bullshit. I'll know for sure when I repeat my experiment, but at this point i'm confident that topical spironolactone lowers the blood levels of total and free testosterone.
 
AussieThunder said:
I've read that too, but I think it is bullshit. I'll know for sure when I repeat my experiment, but at this point i'm confident that topical spironolactone lowers the blood levels of total and free testosterone.

While topical spirolactone seems to have no systemic effect in men (1) during short term treatment, maybe it does during medium-long term treatment

Regarding Deepglute's observations, while my understanding was also that spirolactone is simply a androgen receptor blocker, oral spirolactone does seem to decrease testosterone levels in men (5, 6, 7, 8, 9),, even though these studies done in women and men contradict these findings (2,3,4,10)

How long were you using spirolactone and what were the other ingredients in the topical formulation?

1-Lack of endocrine systemic side effects after topical application of spironolactone in man.

Rey FO, Valterio C, Locatelli L, Ramelet AA, Felber JP.

Departement de Medecine, C.H.U.V., Lausanne, Switzerland.

In six healthy male volunteers, the percutaneous absorption of spironolactone was compared with placebo in a double-blind crossover study. The subjects were randomly given either a cream containing 5% spironolactone or placebo to be applied in a randomized sequential way to a well defined skin area equivalent to 55% of body area. During the 72 h following the application of the ointment, blood levels of canrenone, the major metabolite of spironolactone, have been determined. In order to estimate the systemic antiandrogenic effect of spironolactone, plasma levels of 17-alpha-Hydroxy progesterone (17 alpha-OH-P), Testosterone (pT) and non-conjugated 3 alpha-Androstanediol (3 alpha-diol, metabolite of the active androgen 5 alpha-Dihydrotestosterone or DHT) as well as salivary Testosterone (sT) which relate to the free and active plasma testosterone fraction have also been measured. Urinary levels of canrenone have been determined 48 hours after cream application. No changes in any levels of these hormones have been detected and plasma canrenone levels were undetectable during the 72 hours of topical treatment. Topically administered, spironolactone appears to have only a local skin impregnation.

2-Comparison of the efficiency of anti-androgenic regimens consisting of spironolactone, Diane 35, and cyproterone acetate in hirsutism.

Sert M, Tetiker T, Kirim S.

Department of Internal Medicine, Division of Endocrinology, Cukurova University Medical School, Adana, Turkey. muratser@mail.cu.edu.tr

The aim of the present study was to evaluate the effects of three different anti-androgenic drug-therapy regimens, Diane 35 (cyproterone acetate (CPA) [2 mg] and ethinyl estradiol [35 microg]) plus CPA, Diane 35 plus spironolactone, and spironolactone alone, in patients with hirsutism. In this prospective, randomized clinical study, 79 subjects with idiopathic hirsutismus were studied. The patients were divided into 3 groups. Group I patients (n=32) were treated with Diane 35 plus CPA, group II patients (n=25) with Diane 35 plus spironolactone [100 mg], and group III patients (n=22) with spironolactone [100 mg] alone. Serum FSH, LH, testosterone (T), and DHEAS levels were analyzed before and after treatment at 6 and 12 months. Hirsutism scores were graded according to the Ferriman-Gallwey scoring system, and side effects were monitored. All treatment regimens were found to be efficient and well-tolerated, and none of the patients stopped therapy due to any adverse event. However, in hormone screening, only patients on the Diane 35 plus CPA regimen revealed a decrease in serum T levels after therapy. As such, treatment of each hirsute patient should be planned individually, but with regard to both cost-efficiency and potential side effects, we recommend spironolactone alone in the treatment of hirsutismus.

3 - [Serum hormones before and during therapy with cyproterone acetate and spironolactone in patients with androgenization]

[Article in German]

Grunwald K, Rabe T, Schlereth G, Runnebaum B.

Abt. fur gynakologische Endokrinologie und Fortpflanzungsmedizin, Universitats-Frauenklinik Heidelberg.

The effect of cyproterone acetate (CPA) and spironolactone (SPL) on the serum androgen concentrations of premenopausal women with symptoms of hyperandrogenism were investigated in a total of 39 women. The observation period was 12 months. CPA was administered according to the Hammerstein regimen: cyproterone acetate (CPA) [Androcur] 100 mg/die 5.-14. day of the cycle; ethinylestradiol (EE) [Progynon C]: 40 mg/die 5.-25. day of the cycle; Spironolactone (SPL) was given in a dosage of 100 mg/die from day 1.-21. of the cycle. During the therapy with CPA a significant decrease of total testosterone (61%), free testosterone (78%), LH (48%) and 17 alpha-Hydroxyprogesterone (72%) was observed; during the medication with spironolacton only a significant decrease of 5 alpha-dihydrotestosterone (81%), which could not be seen during CPA use, was observed. Serum concentrations of total testosterone, free testosterone, LH and 17 alpha-Hydroxyprogesterone remained unchanged. DHA and DHAS did not change during neither medication. Since peripheral androgens were not suppressed by SPL the positive therapeutical effect of SPL can be explained by the antiandrogenic effect at the level of the receptor. A disadvantage of spironolacton is the lack of contraceptive efficacy. In cases where contraindication for oral contraceptives are present SPL can be considered as a good alternative to CPA. The suppressive effect of CPA/EE on total testosterone, LH addition to the antivulatory effect makes it the preferable medication for hyperandrogenemic patients with polycystic changes of the ovaries (PCOD).

4 - Oral spironolactone therapy in male patients with rosacea.

Aizawa H, Niimura M.

Department of Dermatology, Jikei University School of Medicine, Tokyo, Japan.

Spironolactone at 50 mg/day was orally administered for four weeks to 13 male patients with rosacea in order to observe its clinical effectiveness. Serum estradiol (E2), 17OH-progesterone (17OH-P4), testosterone (T), androstenedione (delta 4 A), dihydrotestosterone (DHT), dehydro-epiandrosterone sulfate (DHEA-S) were measured prior to and after treatment. Although there were no significant changes in T, delta 4A, DHT, or DHEA-S, the serum levels of 17OH-P4 increased significantly. E2 tended to increase, although the change was not significant. Two of the 13 patients discontinued spironolactone treatment because of general malaise, but seven of the remaining eleven patients exhibited an improvement in their rosacea. These findings demonstrate that a low dose of spironolactone is effective in the treatment of rosacea in some male patients and suggest that it is possible that changes in the metabolism of sex steroid hormones such as cytochrome p-450 isozymes have some bearing on the etiology of rosacea.

5 - Spironolactone and cimetidine in treatment of acne.

Hatwal A, Bhatt RP, Agrawal JK, Singh G, Bajpai HS.

Department of Medicine, Banaras Hindu University, Varanasi, India.

In an open therapeutic trial, 50 patients with acne vulgaris were randomly allocated to one of two groups. One group received spironolactone 100 mg daily and the other cimetidine 1.6 g daily for 12 weeks. Clinical severity of acne and sebum excretion decreased significantly at the end of the trial with both drugs, but significantly more with spironolactone. Mean serum levels of testosterone, androstenedione and dehydroepiandrosterone-sulfate decreased significantly with spironolactone but showed no change with cimetidine. Our data suggest that spironolactone may be useful as antiandrogen in the short term therapy of acne vulgaris.

6 -
[The influence of spironolactone on the concentration of gonadotrophins and gonadal hormones in prostatic hypertrophy (author's transl)]

[Article in French]

Zgliczynski S, Baranowska B, Szymanowski J.

The authors examined the influence of spironolactone on the concentration of testosterone, 5 alpha - dihydrotestosterone (DHT), progesterone, oestradiol (E2), LH, and FSH in 47 patients with prostatic hypertrophy, aged from 60 to 80 years. The control group consisted of 58 men of the same age. Spironolactone was prescribed at a dose of 100 mg per day for three months. There was a considerable fall in the concentration of testosterone and of DHT and, at the same time, an increase in the concentration of progesterone, E2 and LH. After treatment with spironolactone there was a decrease in the size of the prostate gland. Results obtained show that spironolactone is an effective drug in the treatment of prostatic hypertrophy, since it inhibits androgen metabolism


7 - Pathophysiology of spironolactone-induced gynecomastia.

Rose LI, Underwood RH, Newmark SR, Kisch ES, Williams GH.

Peripheral blood levels of testosterone, estradiol, luteinizing hormone, and follicle-stimulating hormone and the metabolic clearance rates of testosterone and estradiol, as well as the peripheral conversion of testosterone into estradiol, were measured in 16 patients with hypertension. Six of these patients were treated with spironolactone and developed gynecomastia. The other 10 patients served as control subjects. The blood testosterone level in the spironolactone-treated group (2.7 +/- 0.5 ng/ml) was significantly less (P less than 0.02) than in the control group (4.4 +/- 0.4 ng/ml). On the other hand, blood estradiol levels in the spironolactone group (30 +/- 4 pg/ml) were significantly greater (P less than 0.01) than in the control group (13 +/- 2 pg/ml). These changes were primarily due to significant increases in the metabolic clearance rate of testosterone (P less than 0.02) and in the rate of peripheral conversion of testosterone into estradiol (P less than 0.001) in the spironolactone-treated group. Thus, spironolactone does alter the peripheral metabolism of testosterone resulting in changes in the ratio of testosterone to estradiol, which could contribute to the production of gynecomastia.

8- Spironolactone and endocrine dysfunction.

[No authors listed]

Therapy with spironolactone is often associated with estrogenlike side-effects, including impotence and gynecomastia in men and menstrual irregularity in women. Several possible mechanisms by which spironolactone could cause these side-effects have been identified. Spironolactone has been shown to affect both gonadal and adrenal steroidogenesis, to elevate plasma gonadotrophin levels in children, and to act as an antiandrogen at the target tissue level. This conference presents a discussion of how these effects might interact to produce the endocrine side effects associated with spironolactone therapy.

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[Sexual side-effects of spironolactones. Possible mechanisms of their anti-androgen action]

[Article in French]

Corvol P, Mahoudeau JA, Valcke JC, Menard J, Bricaire H.

Spirolactones (spironolactone, potassium canrenoate) may produce secundary sexual effects such as gynecomastia in man and menstrual disturbances in women. The mechanism of action of the antiandrogenic effects has been studied in man and rat. Acute i.v. injection of potassium canrenoate into man results in a decrease of plasma testosterone, without any change of gonadotropins. This decrease might be due to an impaired testicular steroidogenesis. On the other hand, spirolactones have an antiandrogenic effect at the target cells level. They do not modify the prostate 5alpha-reductase activity; however, they do inhibit the binding of androgens to their receptors. Thus the spirolactones interact with both biosynthesis and peripheral action of androgens.


10 -Effect of spironolactone on sex hormones in man.

Stripp B, Taylor AA, Bartter FC, Gillette JR, Loriaux DL, Easley R, Menard RH.

Administration spironolactone at a dosage of 400 mg/day to healthy male volunteers for 5 days resulted in a significant rise in plasma progesterone and 17alpha-hydroxyprogesterone which persisted throughout the study. A transient increase in plasma FSH and LH concentration was observed after the second but not the third or fifth days of drug administration. There was no change in plasma concentration of testosterone, 17beta-estradiol, or prolactin. These findings are consistent with a previously-reported spironolactone-induced destruction of the microsomal enzyme cytochrome P-450, an enzyme necessary for 17-hydroxylase and desmolase activity. The results do not explain the decrease of libido, the impotence, and the gynecomastia frequently associated with spironolactone therapy in males.
 
"How long were you using spirolactone and what were the other ingredients in the topical formulation?"

Once again, read my post. I only applied Dr Lee's 2% spironolactone solution the night before and the morning of my blood test!
This was enough to drop my T levels from the low range of normal for my age, to the testosterone levels in a pre-pubescent boy!
Obviously this stuff is highly absorbable. The ingredients listed on the bottle are as follows : spironolactone, alcohol, propylene glycol, BHT, sodium benzoate, water.
 
AussieThunder said:
Once again, read my post. I only applied Dr Lee's 2% spironolactone solution the night before and the morning of my blood test!
This was enough to drop my T levels from the low range of normal for my age, to the testosterone levels in a pre-pubescent boy!
Obviously this stuff is highly absorbable. The ingredients listed on the bottle are as follows : spironolactone, alcohol, propylene glycol, BHT, sodium benzoate, water.

Well, I guess using this stuff off cycle may not be a smart thing to do.

Thanks for posting this info.
 
Restless said:
Well, I guess using this stuff off cycle may not be a smart thing to do.

Thanks for posting this info.

You have to remember that even if you use it while on a cycle, you will not be getting anything like the full benefits of your Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) which kind of defeats the purpose of taking steroids. You are trying to increase T levels and this is doing the exact opposite!
 
AussieThunder said:
You have to remember that even if you use it while on a cycle, you will not be getting anything like the full benefits of your Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) which kind of defeats the purpose of taking steroids. You are trying to increase T levels and this is doing the exact opposite!

Well, but your body isn't producing any testosterone anyway while on so I don't see how that could be a problem.

Or are you suggesting this will lower exogenous testosterone? That doesn't make sense at all.

Of more concern would be the AR blocking effect. If it has systemic activity and blocks the AR then maybe it could diminush anabolism.
 
In my opinion, HCG should be run during EVERY cycle so that your body continues to produce its own testosterone. A study posted over at outlawmuscle by Ready2Explode showed that taking around 300 iu HCG eod throughout the cycle kept the testes producing their normal amount of testosterone. One should never except that suppression of endogenous testosterone is always going to occur during a cycle. However, even if such measures are made, it won't make much difference if one is taking topical spironolactone as it will drive endogenous testosterone levels too low. Not only that, it is well established that spironolactone significantly elevates estradiol and progesterone. The androgen receptor blocking effect of spironolactone will definitely reduce the effectiveness of AAS.
 
AussieThunder said:
You have to remember that even if you use it while on a cycle, you will not be getting anything like the full benefits of your Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) which kind of defeats the purpose of taking steroids. You are trying to increase T levels and this is doing the exact opposite!


Tell that to needsize, im pretty sure i read that he runs topical spiro while on, and he is one big mofo if you ask me.
 
NYCEE said:
Tell that to needsize, im pretty sure i read that he runs topical spiro while on, and he is one big mofo if you ask me.

Yeah imagine how freaky he'd be if he dropped the spiro! Too bad it didn't do much for his hair...
 
I've been using it for years, and it hasnt hurt anything
And since i started using it, I havent lost a hair except for the times I used Winstrol (winny), masteron, or fina, which it doesnt help with and I had to learn that th hard way
 
AussieThunder said:
In my opinion, HCG should be run during EVERY cycle so that your body continues to produce its own testosterone. A study posted over at outlawmuscle by Ready2Explode showed that taking around 300 iu HCG eod throughout the cycle kept the testes producing their normal amount of testosterone. One should never except that suppression of endogenous testosterone is always going to occur during a cycle. However, even if such measures are made, it won't make much difference if one is taking topical spironolactone as it will drive endogenous testosterone levels too low. Not only that, it is well established that spironolactone significantly elevates estradiol and progesterone. The androgen receptor blocking effect of spironolactone will definitely reduce the effectiveness of AAS.

Well, it's all possible I guess, but I just don't think things are that clear at this point. I consider some of your certainties speculations at this point, even though most seem to have some science backing them up (1).

But many studies contradict your observations (2.3). In the first one, doses of up to 300 mg/day of oral spirolactone for three months failed to suppress Testosterone, even though the estrogen increase was significant enough to develop gynecomasty.

What is certain is that it seems to interfere with androgens biosynthesis in the testicles (4,5). I don't think you can say though, like your posts seem to suggest, that it will completely halt steroidogenesis, thus making HCG useless. In some studies (5), an increase in LH levels is observed even though testosterone levels remain unchanged, suggesting a decreased response from the testicles to LH, but nothing like the catastrophic scenario you suggest.

Anyway, even though I don't agree with your way of putting things, I'd advise against spirolactone use off cycle at this point.

Thanks for the info though.


1-[The influence of spironolactone on the concentration of gonadotrophins and gonadal hormones in prostatic hypertrophy (author's transl)]

[Article in French]

Zgliczynski S, Baranowska B, Szymanowski J.

The authors examined the influence of spironolactone on the concentration of testosterone, 5 alpha - dihydrotestosterone (DHT), progesterone, oestradiol (E2), LH, and FSH in 47 patients with prostatic hypertrophy, aged from 60 to 80 years. The control group consisted of 58 men of the same age. Spironolactone was prescribed at a dose of 100 mg per day for three months. There was a considerable fall in the concentration of testosterone and of DHT and, at the same time, an increase in the concentration of progesterone, E2 and LH. After treatment with spironolactone there was a decrease in the size of the prostate gland. Results obtained show that spironolactone is an effective drug in the treatment of prostatic hypertrophy, since it inhibits androgen metabolism.


2-Increased serum oestrone and oestradiol following spironolactone administration in hypertensive men.

Miyatake A, Noma K, Nakao K, Morimoto Y, Yamamura Y.

The present study was undertaken to evaluate long-term effects of spironolactone on basal serum oestrone, oestradiol, testosterone, LH and prolactin concentrations in hypertensive male patients. Serum prolactin response to TRH was also evaluated. Patients were divided into two groups: a conventional-dosage group, consisting of six males with essential hypertension who took 75 to 150 mg of spironolactone daily for 12 weeks, and a high-dosage group, consisting of two males with idiopathic hyperaldosteronism who took 300 mg of spironolactone daily for more than 40 weeks. In the conventional-dosage group, serum oestrone concentrations significantly increased (P less than 0.01) at 12 weeks, serum oestradiol concentrations gradually increased throughout the study period, however, the increments were not statistically significant (P less than 0.2). Basal serum testosterone, LH and prolactin concentrations were not significantly changed throughout the study period. Enhancement of serum prolactin response to TRH was not found in any of the patients in the conventional-dosage group. In the high-dosage group, serum oestrone maintained high levels from the beginning of this study, and serum oestradiol concentrations increased with the development of gynaecomastia. Serum testosterone, LH and prolactin concentrations did not show any definite change throughout the study period. Thus, long-term spironolactone treatment increased the serum levels of oestrone and oestradiol in hypertensive men followed by the development of gynaecomastia. The elevation in circulating oestrogens could well explain the oestrogenic side-effects of spironolactone treatment.

3-Endocrine effects of spironolactone in man.

Tidd MJ, Horth CE, Ramsay LE, Shelton JR, Palmer RF.

A double blind, controlled study was carried out in order to investigate the effects of administering spironolactone, 200 mg daily, to five healthy male volunteers. The patterns of change in plasma testosterone (T) and luteinizing hormone (LH) after spironolactone were significantly different from placebo and there were significant increases in the urinary excretion of androsterone (A), aetiocholanolone (EC) and total oestrogen. Urinary dehydroepiandrosterone (DHA) excretion, after an initial rise, declined progressively during the treatment period relative to controls. The results are discussed in the light of previous observations. It is concluded that treatment with spironolactone for 2--4 days will lead to a transient rise in plasma T and urinary DHA. Continued treatment (4--10 days) is thought to cause increased LH secretion, with normalization of plasma T and DHA excretion. These changes are accompanied by increased androgen catabolism and a slightly increased conversion of androgens to oestrogens. Healthy men may therefore show alterations in sex steroid metabolism if treated for several days with high doses of spironolactone.


4-[Sexual side-effects of spironolactones. Possible mechanisms of their anti-androgen action]

[Article in French]

Corvol P, Mahoudeau JA, Valcke JC, Menard J, Bricaire H.

Spirolactones (spironolactone, potassium canrenoate) may produce secundary sexual effects such as gynecomastia in man and menstrual disturbances in women. The mechanism of action of the antiandrogenic effects has been studied in man and rat. Acute i.v. injection of potassium canrenoate into man results in a decrease of plasma testosterone, without any change of gonadotropins. This decrease might be due to an impaired testicular steroidogenesis. On the other hand, spirolactones have an antiandrogenic effect at the target cells level. They do not modify the prostate 5alpha-reductase activity; however, they do inhibit the binding of androgens to their receptors. Thus the spirolactones interact with both biosynthesis and peripheral action of androgens.


5-Effect of spironolactone on sex hormones in man.

Stripp B, Taylor AA, Bartter FC, Gillette JR, Loriaux DL, Easley R, Menard RH.

Administration spironolactone at a dosage of 400 mg/day to healthy male volunteers for 5 days resulted in a significant rise in plasma progesterone and 17alpha-hydroxyprogesterone which persisted throughout the study. A transient increase in plasma FSH and LH concentration was observed after the second but not the third or fifth days of drug administration. There was no change in plasma concentration of testosterone, 17beta-estradiol, or prolactin. These findings are consistent with a previously-reported spironolactone-induced destruction of the microsomal enzyme cytochrome P-450, an enzyme necessary for 17-hydroxylase and desmolase activity. The results do not explain the decrease of libido, the impotence, and the gynecomastia frequently associated with spironolactone therapy in males.
 
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Restless, do you have a bottle of Dr Lee's 2% spironolactone? If so, why don't you take a blood test to check your levels of total T, free T, estradiol, LH and FSH? Then use the topical spiro for a few days and have the blood test repeated. See what happens. I'd love to find out if what I believe happened to me happens to others. If it does, I don't think this product should be sold. Even if normal range T levels bounce back relatively quickly, as I think they do, it is not at all healthy to send hormonal levels on a rollercoaster ride like that.
It's interesting that my LH and FSH were in the normal range for an adult male yet my testosterone levels were as low as a 9 year old boy. This suggests that the topical spironolactone suppressed intratesticular testosterone, but did not effect the hypothalamus or pituitary.
 
Btw, thanks for posting the articles Restless. I guess the only way for you to find out if topical spironolactone suppresses your testosterone levels is to have a blood while using it (morning application) and when not using it.
You can read as many studies as you like finding spiro doesn't have an effect on T levels, but the only way to know for sure is to take the above blood tests.
 
AussieThunder said:
Restless, do you have a bottle of Dr Lee's 2% spironolactone? If so, why don't you take a blood test to check your levels of total T, free T, estradiol, LH and FSH? Then use the topical spiro for a few days and have the blood test repeated. See what happens. .


Well, I'm on cycle and I'll be on HRT again right after and I don't have the spirolactone solution, so I'm afraid I'mnot a good candidate for the experiment....

AussieThunder said:
I'd love to find out if what I believe happened to me happens to others. If it does, I don't think this product should be sold. Even if normal range T levels bounce back relatively quickly, as I think they do, it is not at all healthy to send hormonal levels on a rollercoaster ride like that..

At this point judging for the results of some studies that seem to differ so much from yours, I leave open the possibility that you may be one of those that has an above average reaction to this drug. In the studies I posted people taking larger doses of oral spirolactone didn't have the such profound effect on their test levels, even though many had reactions that do suggest decreased responsiveness of the testicles to LH stimulation. Anyway, this was certainly a heads up regarding spirolactone.

AussieThunder said:
It's interesting that my LH and FSH were in the normal range for an adult male yet my testosterone levels were as low as a 9 year old boy. This suggests that the topical spironolactone suppressed intratesticular testosterone, but did not effect the hypothalamus or pituitary.

Right, like the studies I posted point to. One of them suggests an enzimatic pathway that is affected by Spirolatone that may explain this.
 
I wonder if regular use of Nizoral 2% shampoo could also have some systemic effects? It contains ketoconazole which like spironolactone, is an anti-androgen.
 
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